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  1. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Apr 27, 2017

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    ...and whiskers on kittens
    Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
    Brown paper packages tied up with strings
    These are a few of my favorite things

    So, we see these wet spots on dials, and we think "relume". Having seen a couple of these in hand, I thought it looked more like someone was trying to stabilize the lume rather than replace it. I was wondering what the collective thinks.

    Related; is stabilizing better | worse | same as compared to a relume?

    Opinions very much appreciated.

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  2. 250scr Apr 27, 2017

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    Looks like a new hire that was putting his first lume on the dial 50 years ago. I've never seen anything like that, at least not that pronounced.
     
  3. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Apr 27, 2017

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    Just for clarity, those are two different dials...
     
  4. Kringkily Omega Collector / Hunter Apr 27, 2017

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    Some people have zero business working on a watch and it is sad such a nice dial can be slightly ruined by a careless hack job
     
  5. JohnSteed Apr 28, 2017

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    All depends on the outcome. One of those dials was messed up
     
  6. Amaza Apr 28, 2017

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    I remember a 2998/105.002 (was not clear) up for sale/trade few weeks ago with a (supposedly radium) dial showing the famous dark signs around the plots. Effectively I see more probable stabilization than relume. In all these cases indeed the lume marks loom authentic. On the other side we saw many relumed examples without wet spots.
    https://omegaforums.net/threads/wtf-is-this-old-speedy.55888/
     
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  7. Davidt Apr 28, 2017

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    Rightly or wrongly I associate those shadows around the lume plots as evidence of a relume. I guess this might not always be the case. Stabilisation may be an explanation.

    If nothing else we can probably say it points to a high likelihood of some work to the lume/dial.

    Then again, could it just be the original lume affecting the paint around the markers. It's generally accepted that the paint used in the blue dials from the 60's/70's often react with tritium, leading to the paint perishing, revealing the brass plate underneath. Could this just be a minor reaction of some black paint to tritium? Personally I don't think so, as dials I've seen with the shadows around the markers often had other tells towards a relume, but it's worth considering.
     
  8. BartH Follows a pattern of overpaying Apr 28, 2017

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    I'm thinking of having my 145.012 stabilized.

    Is it me, or is the lume of this ref. Just very prone to flaking?
     
  9. Dgercp Apr 28, 2017

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    I suspect both relume and stabilization could do this. That first dial looks clearly relumed to me.
    But I think the lume on the second is original, so that one possibly stabilized, or just natural tritium
    related effects. Agree with others, these are blemishes I would prefer not to have.
     
  10. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Apr 28, 2017

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    If the plots were stabilized with clear binder, I would not expect any of that to end up on the dial...
     
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  11. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Apr 28, 2017

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    @Archer, is that because of workmanship (i.e. a good artisan would not let it spill over)? or because you wouldn't see clear binder?
     
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  12. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Apr 28, 2017

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    You would have to be pretty sloppy to let it spill over if that's what those marks are. The binder is nor like water - it's quite viscous...
     
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  13. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Apr 28, 2017

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    Thanks Al.

    So is the consensus that stabilizing is equal to reluming in terms of effect in value?

    (These particular dials not being the question)
     
  14. nonuffinkbloke #1 Nigel Mansell Fan Apr 28, 2017

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    Hmmm??? I'm a novice @oddboy but I know from everything I've learned from you blokes so far that collectors don't like anything that's added or non original. I would have thought that if, as @Archer said, a clear binder was expertly applied it's got to be better than the risk of doing nothing. I think it looks great when lume shows genuine signs of aging, and it'seems like a good idea if this can be preserved without the risk of bits of it 'rattling around' inside a 50 year old 321 movement. It would seem logical to me that preserving the original lume, as opposed to a relume ought to be a plus factor with regard to value. ::confused2::
     
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  15. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Apr 29, 2017

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    To me one is changing the dial, while the other is simply preserving it. For me personally, I would much rather have a nice dial that was stabilized, than one that was relumed.
     
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