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  1. corn18 Mar 19, 2019

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    I was looking for a birth year/month Speedy on Ebay (found one, BTW, but polished beyond recognition). I ran across this weird conglomeration:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-PRE-MOON-OMEGA-SPEEDMASTER-CHRONO-145012-67-SP-321-Manual-Wind-Warranty/233170327343?_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIM.MBE&ao=2&asc=20131003132420&meid=1e58b6d575144b518c7f4df18ecabd63&pid=100005&rk=3&rkt=12&sd=254167541324&itm=233170327343&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

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    The orange hand caught my attention for $10k. Listing states it is not an Ultraman. DNN is wrong. But then I looked at the serial #:

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    According to Ilovemyspeedmaster.com, 16649012 puts it in the 1959, CK2915-3, Caliber 321 range. If that is a genuine 2915-3 movement, it may be worth $10k just for the movement.

    Caseback shows 145-012SP

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    So, is it a franken with a rare (aka valuable) movement?
     
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  2. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    Quiz time
    There is another clue which indicates a correct 2915-3 movement.:D
     
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  3. ext1 Mar 19, 2019

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    I think probably this 321 might be from a seamaster chrono, no? Especially with the very early 321 movements there are issues relating to if it’s a speedy or seamaster movement.
     
  4. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    I think not
     
  5. corn18 Mar 19, 2019

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    symmetrical clutch bridge
     
  6. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    Even if the movement is correct for a 2915-3, what is the expected wait time and expense for the missing parts. A life time and a fortune.
    Yes, but all the pre 105.002-62s have that.
     
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  7. ext1 Mar 19, 2019

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    Huh...really? I was not aware of any way to ascertain if an old 321 that normally have no extract info available came from a speedy or not. ::confused2:: This is new to me. Any hints to your quiz?
     
  8. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    Not an additional clue but aren’t extracts available for old 321 Seamasters?
     
  9. corn18 Mar 19, 2019

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    movement holders?
     
  10. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    New clue:
    superfluous
     
  11. corn18 Mar 19, 2019

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    Now I'm stumped. Ya gotta at least tell me before I go to bed!
     
  12. ext1 Mar 19, 2019

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    Does it have to do with the length of the parts associated with pushers?
     
  13. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    No

    Last clue
    61D0B4CA-B010-4C06-A209-49E28D6FA53F.png
     
  14. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    Time is up.
    The 2915-3 has a unique movement ring, shown above, with two holes which seem to have no purpose.
    3CC99556-6C52-4271-BCF4-61A46B91463A.jpeg
     
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  15. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    So the proper ring and movement number range leads me to believe the movement may have started life in a 2915-3.
    Question is where is the rest? :)
     
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  16. ext1 Mar 19, 2019

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    Darn! I wish my guess was as close as yours.

    @gemini4 Thanks for the education- I had no idea! :) Interesting. Is this kind of movement ring only observed in the 2915-3?
     
  17. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 19, 2019

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    I think so. Here is a 2915-2 movement. Not mine
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    Opps. Sorry was looking for movement ring
     
  18. ext1 Mar 19, 2019

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    I see, so I guess it might be just a 2915-3 thing. Aside from the 2915-3, in other references, are there additional clues specific to the reference that can help identify if the 321 is an original speedy movement?
     
  19. bloomy Mar 19, 2019

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    I live somewhat close to the pawn shop that is selling this watch. I noticed this watch a few days ago, it "sold" already once at 8k but the listing had some different information. I was going to stop by and see if I could talk to the watchmaker who did the work to see what's up. If I get the time I will see what I can find out.

    There is also another clue w/ the movement to indicate pre-62 321 movement. See blue arrow.

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  20. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Mar 19, 2019

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    as a point of reference, if you're ever considering a bare movement, keep an eye out for the screwed in clamps that are for seamasters, not speedmasters...

    Seamaster:
    1135-image_2019-03-20_00-36.jpg

    Speedmaster:

    901-OmegaSpeedmasterBlueDial-Movement.jpg

    The seamaster movement hold has small cut-outs for a little clamp that's held in by the screw (highlighted in Periwinkle)
     
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