Watches destined for the fiery furnace ...

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Just curious, does Omega claim they will service them?
I actually don’t know on these. The former CEO Stephen Urquhart mentioned a few years back that one of his greatest frustrations is that Omega can easily service mechanical calibers that are over 100 years old and will happily even put parts back into limited production to ensure longevity of some vintage calibers but that there are a few 1980s era quartz movements that they are out of or almost out of, which rely on integrated circuits that are so out of date that the facilities to produce them no longer exist.

I’m not sure if these movements are among that list but given the high failure rate, and the fact that these crummy watches were only considered “dust-proof” not even mildly water resistant or splash-proof probably indicates that they might be among them. It certainly doesn’t help that Australia as a country and my part of it in particular is very wet and humid, but in the 80s Omega should never have been selling mass market watches with zero water resistance anyway, especially in this market.
 
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...there are a few 1980s era quartz movements that they are out of or almost out of, which rely on integrated circuits that are so out of date that the facilities to produce them no longer exist.
... but in the 80s Omega should never have been selling mass market watches with zero water resistance anyway, especially in this market.
Interesting observations. (I am actually re-reading Nevil Shute's book "In the wet." but that is a digression.)

With my skills in micro-electronics I have considered taking a look at some of the old interesting quartz watches. I am sort of keeping an eye out for some Tag/Heuer ones. I asked my 'watchmaker' if they could service my old tissot, she was able to get it to work with a battery and some tricky presses of the button. I had to take the Jules Jurganson back as it stopped the next day. This time she blew it out and put some 'quartz' oil on it. It stopped again, so I blew it out with my duster. Been running since.

To do real justice however a proper service might require a clean room. The little injection molded gears are probably really sensitive to dust. 3D resin printers are probably not there yet. (FDM would not be a good choice.) My friend and mentor showed me in the La Chaux de fonds museum watches his company stamped parts for. Said there were 27 watch companies in 1970s silicon valley and most hardly lasted a year. His take was that the companies did not recognize that one could not put watches into calculator cases.

At one trade show I did get some chip on die samples from one of the smaller AVR processors (the arduino hobby system uses this family of chips.) I was able to connect tiney leads to one and read the device ID.

In some ways this would be full circle as I was one of the first electronics hobbyist in the 1990s to do home surface mount and reflow. This was for a blog to use some video camera viewfinders. Later I got interested in bare glass lcd screens and worked out how an AVR processor can drive them. This is also built into some of the larger AVR processors. So replacing the chip could be done if a processor is used. And something that most millennials could code as it is simply pulsing a stepper motor once a second. The rest is reading the setting switches and crown rotations.

There is a book called 21st century watchmaking that shows how to set up a lathe as a grinder to copy some of the stampings. I did build a simple EDM which I took to the local maker space, where someone seems to have thrown it out on one of the junk removal days. Which is interesting how so many of us do tend to dump 'projects' or stuff we want to get rid of for others to use.

The laser cutter though seems to be one of the more popular tools. The issue with using laser or wire edm or plasma to cut watch parts is that the resolution is only as good as the lead screw slides. The old shapers used precision cams, which were laid out with a drafting board and pantograph to reduce the scale. I remember seeing a lot of pantographs in the watch factories. Sometimes these were known as duplicarvers. With CNC routers, I suspect that most of this sort of tech has been regulated to the dust heap, and the skilled operators dead and burried, along with the knowlege of how such things were done.

As I have noted, such took making projects tend to bloat and become more of a chore. Such tools also take up a lot of space and are cemented and bolted to the floor. Some of the watches I did collect was with the intention I would get my CNC working where I can cut and grind out replacement parts. Like everything else such projects delve into another programming chore, as modern hardware, really is software.

-j
 
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Just to source the quote, he mentioned it two times once in Time and Tide here, and once again somewhere else:

https://timeandtidewatches.com/interview-stephen-urquhart-president-omega-part-2/

Will Omega protect and cater to the enthusiasts restoring vintage, genuine vintage pieces by maintaining their access to genuine vintage parts?

Absolutely. You have no idea, as the brand gets stronger, which it is every day, the amount of watches that we get in. You could call them vintage, they wouldn’t necessarily be sold in a Christies auction maybe tomorrow but they are watches of the 50s and 60s, and if we do not have the part we can make it. And just a fun little story I’d like to tell you which is true, the only watches that today we sometimes have to say I’m sorry we cannot repair are certain Quartz watches between ’72 and ’88. You cannot repair them. Because the parts do not exist and you cannot just make a new, individual circuit like that, just one piece. It shows the whole reason why mechanical watches have come back so strongly. You can repair a watch from 1920 and make it work beautifully but you cannot repair a watch from 1980.

I had a chat with a specialist in electronic Omegas a few years back who mentioned some models with relatively simple ICs that were made on a process that led to early failure, with that process being abandoned in the early 80s and the supply of working parts depleted rapidly after that.
 
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I had a chat with a specialist in electronic Omegas a few years back who mentioned some models with relatively simple ICs that were made on a process that led to early failure, with that process being abandoned in the early 80s and the supply of working parts depleted rapidly after that.
I supose the idea would be to keep it original. So replacing the IC with something like a chip on die AVR would go against the spirit of the repair. Mostly this sounds more like an excuse.

There is a maker whom Steve 'Woz' Wazniak introduced me to named Jerri Elseworth. She has managed to make simple chips in her garage. Notably she has replicated some of the gaming machines from the 1970s/1980s. There are a lot of millennials who are into retro computing. At the makerspace, the monthly vintage computer nights is one of the best attended, and continued on zoom during lockdown.

The organizer of this event can often be seen at the e-waste recycler. One of his projects was replicating an apple I with vintage chips. I had an old pipe organ relay which contained a whole host of 1970s era chips. An identical pipe organ relay was used to run the well known Oakland Paramount organ, which just got the original Wurlitzer console back this year. These relays never really worked, but it took 50 years for them to be replaced.

In a way the trips to the e-waste recycler is what lead me back to watchmaking. Purchasing junk cameras. I took a few apart with the idea of replacing the custom chip with something like an AVR.

My experience is the main point of failure is the flex pc cable that the Cod is mounted to gets brittle. Replicating this is a waste of time. 2 of 3 Kodak APS cameras had the same failure. Basically these circuits were made by silkscreening conductive ink onto kapton tape. I tried to replicate it, which then started becoming yet another big project. Normally the display is connected with a sort of conductive foam. This also breaks down over time.

So for the most part, such items were not meant to last. Why Kodak is no more. It does make the Omega turn around all the more interesting and the exception. The buzword used is 'to re-invent the company." which really does not mean much. So many people in business tend to mistake luck for skill.

-j