Watch Insurnace Question

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Hello,

I have watch insurance through Lavalier. They require an appraisal or purchase receipt to insure. My watches have since increased in value...... not a lot lets say a grand. Lavalier wants me to reappraise to increase my policy. Can I just continue to pay my Lavalier payments but also take out insurance from Hodinkee which I believe is done all online and does not require an appraisal. The policy premium I pay a year is less than what it will cost me to apprise my watch in NYC.

Basically is it against policy or insurnace fraud to have multiple policies on one item?

Thanks for your input.
 
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Your best advice will come from whoever insures you.

They won’t care what internet forum members think if you put in a claim.

I would clarify with the insurance company and shop around if not satisfied.
 
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Basically is it against policy or insurnace fraud to have multiple policies on one item?

Insurance is to get you back to where you were, not better…that would be theft imho.
 
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I'm no insurance expert, but it seems clear that you could not make more than one claim on a given loss. So I don't see the benefit in having multiple policies.
 
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I'm no insurance expert, but it seems clear that you could not make more than one claim on a given loss. So I don't see the benefit in having multiple policies.

This ^ - you can’t have multiple claims on the same watch. The insurance companies share a database and plus they’ll ask you and if you lie you might be void of any claims. I pay $50 for appraisals which I don’t enjoy doing but it’s a necessity for insurance. Just get a new appraisal 👍
 
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FWIW the Chubb insurance through Hodinkee is pretty seamless, and you can add/subtract watches at your discretion using the app, as well as modify their value sans official appraisal (ie. official appraisals don't always factor in market value...most just look at MSRP and replacement costs, which is hard for vintage watches). Perhaps pay a slight premium for it, but convenient for sure.
 
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Thanks. I think I will end up letting Lavalier end its term and then just switch over after that. Do you guys have any recommended appraisers in the NY NJ CT area? I don't want to pay north of $300 to apprise when all they did was google the price of the watch in front of me and take pictures. The description of the watch on the report they gave was honestly copy and pasted.



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If we're only talking a $1k value increase, which is subjective, I don't see the big push for re-appraising...just wait out your Lavalier term...in the unlikely even your piece(s) is/are lost/stolen, you'll be out a subjective $1k minus whatever you pay for appraisal. Seems like not a huge deal IMO.
While Chubb through the 'Dink is convenient, it ain't cheap. I think I pay ~$600/yr for about $75k of insurance. Though TBH that's a similar rate to what I pay through my home insurance to cover my wife's jewelry.
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Not sure if you found your answer, but the process would be as follows: the initial policy, Lavalier, would be the in-force policy up to it's limit, Then, the Hodinkee/Chubb policy would kick in for any remainder up to the insured limit/loss limit. The reason this is so, is because the Lavalier policy is likely not enough to cover the full replacement, and the Chubb policy is a full replacement value policy.

In the Chubb policy documentation, it specifically says their insurance will kick in after all other forms of insurance are exhausted. This happens often when there are other umbrella policies - homeowners, renters, even vehicle policies that may cover the item that have a priority, but also have some arbitrary limit. For example, you have a homeowners policy that covers jewelry up to $2500. You would take a rider normally to get up to say $10,000 if you had that much jewelry, or, you would take a policy with Chubb. The first 2500 of your loss is paid by your homeowner agency and then the rest is paid by Chubb. So the above would occur the same way. This is not illegal, it's just stacked policies to get to the right coverage level.

The only requirement, is that the Hodinkee/Chubb policy is taken out for the entire amount - not just the difference. So if you need to ensure $10000 total, then that's what you insure with Hodinkee/Chubb, even though a portion of that is also insured by Lavalier. I know that seems silly, but that's the grease that keeps the wheels turning.
 
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Hello,

I have watch insurance through Lavalier. They require an appraisal or purchase receipt to insure. My watches have since increased in value...... not a lot lets say a grand. Lavalier wants me to reappraise to increase my policy. Can I just continue to pay my Lavalier payments but also take out insurance from Hodinkee which I believe is done all online and does not require an appraisal. The policy premium I pay a year is less than what it will cost me to apprise my watch in NYC.

Basically is it against policy or insurnace fraud to have multiple policies on one item?

Thanks for your input.

if you have multiple policies in a watch in general they will split the payout equally to match the lowest coverage. Then the one with the higher coverage will kick in to meet its minimum.
 
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Not sure if you found your answer, but the process would be as follows: the initial policy, Lavalier, would be the in-force policy up to it's limit, Then, the Hodinkee/Chubb policy would kick in for any remainder up to the insured limit/loss limit. The reason this is so, is because the Lavalier policy is likely not enough to cover the full replacement, and the Chubb policy is a full replacement value policy.

In the Chubb policy documentation, it specifically says their insurance will kick in after all other forms of insurance are exhausted. This happens often when there are other umbrella policies - homeowners, renters, even vehicle policies that may cover the item that have a priority, but also have some arbitrary limit. For example, you have a homeowners policy that covers jewelry up to $2500. You would take a rider normally to get up to say $10,000 if you had that much jewelry, or, you would take a policy with Chubb. The first 2500 of your loss is paid by your homeowner agency and then the rest is paid by Chubb. So the above would occur the same way. This is not illegal, it's just stacked policies to get to the right coverage level.

The only requirement, is that the Hodinkee/Chubb policy is taken out for the entire amount - not just the difference. So if you need to ensure $10000 total, then that's what you insure with Hodinkee/Chubb, even though a portion of that is also insured by Lavalier. I know that seems silly, but that's the grease that keeps the wheels turning.

yes for a rider on a homeowner’s policy. That would not work like that for 2 watch/jewelery policies.
 
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I spoke with State Farm and Chubb. The scenario is: State Farm with standard Renters policy with insurance rider for up to $X in jewelry. Then, Chubb for all pieces at full replacement value.

This setup is required because State Farm does NOT insure for replacement value but Chubb does.

If a complete loss were to occur, State Farm would pay out first from the Renter policy and then the rider. If there is any additional needed to get to full replacement value, Chubb pays that.

The point is to get to replacement value, not underpayment or overpayment. Most policies these days pay a fair value, but not a replacement value, and that is something that makes Chubb a good product.