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  1. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jun 23, 2020

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    Those into high-end audio will likely be aware of this, but vintage electron (aka vacuum) tubes have long been in demand amongst users of tube amplifiers (I'm a solid-state guy). One of the "grail" vintage tubes is the Western Electric 300B.

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    Here's one – one – currently bid over 1300€ on eBay:

    https://www.ebay.de/itm/300B-WESTER...615448?hash=item263e197e98:g:Nv0AAOSwnKJe60VbPurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    And here's the brief story of Western Electric manufacturing a new version of the iconic tube:

    https://www.westernelectric.com/products/300b.html

    For those interested in digging deeper, here's a serious review of the tubes, both old and new:

    http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/we300b/300b.html
     
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  2. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jun 24, 2020

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    They look cool by I just don’t get the appeal. Grew up with em as dad and my uncle had tube gear. Both were happy to give up the heat and unreliability for solid state. My uncle did say that his old tube gear had more “warmth” but he didn’t miss the trips to the shop.
     
  3. JwRosenthal Jun 24, 2020

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    Swing by my house and you will get the appeal. :cool:
     
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  4. JwRosenthal Jun 24, 2020

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    The new tube (valve for our Brit friends) market has been alive and well for the last 15 years- the Russians have been the kings of it as they were still using tubes in their electronics well into the 90’s when we had long abandoned it.
    There is a lot of fairy dust in the vintage tube market. Tubes are conductors- each company used slightly different materials or designs but each tube reference had to still meet industry specs for a given tube reference. Mullards tend to sound warmer than Telefunkens but lack the top end shimmer that Tele’s have. Then you have the Amperex Bugle Boy versus globe logo (50’s vs 60’s-70’s production)....it can get crazy. Fundamentally they all do what they are specified to do- but some can be better than others- and some are not.
    The vintage tube market is very similar to watch market. Tubes that have been $5/ea for 30 years get written up by Stereophile or Absolute Sound (Hondinkee and Fratello), and the next week they are the grail tubes by which all are to be measured and they fetch 10x the amount they did before.

    I have a very large stash of vintage tubes, I also have a large stash of modern tubes- they do sound different in different applications, but I wouldn’t go so far as to pay a months mortgage for a pair of tubes....nor would I pay for a watch what o did for my house- but some will, and find the personal gratification worth it- more power to them.
     
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  5. Andy K Dreaming about winning an OFfie one day. Jun 24, 2020

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    I'm relatively new to guitar and amps and thus far have resisted the lure of tube amps. Too many parallels to the vintage watch market that I said "I don't need this in my life"!:D Solid state quality is more than good enough for me, and my wallet appreciates it.
     
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  6. JwRosenthal Jun 24, 2020

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    Plug into a vintage Fender Twin Reverb and you will sell a Speedmaster to get one.

    And not to argue your feelings on SS (there are some spectacular music and audio SS amps) but it’s the same as saying a quartz Casio tells time fine for me. There is a magic with tube sound that SS cannot capture even at the highest levels- even the critics of $$$$ SS equipment will say “it sounds tube-like”.
     
  7. Andy K Dreaming about winning an OFfie one day. Jun 24, 2020

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    As stated, I don't need it in my life! I already have enough of that in my head with watches. Not disputing the magic exists, I'm just choosing not to go down that road.
     
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  8. imageWIS Jun 24, 2020

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    The same thing happens in the car world, no one wanted Ferrari Dinos, until one day they did, and prices skyrocketed.
     
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  9. Evitzee Jun 24, 2020

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    I have two McIntosh solid state amps (250 w/ch and 110 w/ch), McIntosh has long said they can make their SS amps sound like a tube amp. All Mac amps tend to have a similar house sound, a bit warm with a smooth top end, not like the cold, clinical sound of some makers. Tubes are fine if you like them, I just don't think you have to go the tube route to get that kind of sound. McIntosh still makes tube products (pre-amps, power amps and integrated amps) but most of their production is solid state and has been for years.

    I remember growing up in the 50's and 60's and going with my dad to the local Walgreens when our B&W tv would go on the fritz, they had one of those console tube checkers in the corner with a vast array of different tube sockets, you'd bring in the suspect tv tubes and you could check their status, then buy a new one from the cabinet below. What a hassle. I have no desire to get into that world at all. Others like the idea of 'tube rolling'....good for them, it keeps them off the streets and out of trouble.
     
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  10. Deafboy His Holiness Puer Surdus Jun 24, 2020

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    Not just for hi-fi...
    Canadian made Traynor (circa 1969). El34/6CA7 outputs with heavy Hammond iron.

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  11. ConElPueblo Jun 24, 2020

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    That's what a lot of our partners are saying about us...
     
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  12. sdre Jun 24, 2020

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    i use to collect pedals / vintage guitars 15 years ago; and a tube amp vs a digital amp is just so different (be it recording/live performance)

    a twin reverb was on my grail list for the longest time. hope i don't start looking on ebay for one now....
     
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  13. JwRosenthal Jun 24, 2020

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    My brother is a jazz/blues guitarist (some people can play, some can’t so we nerd out on gear for listening), and he has several high end SS guitar amps- but when he plugs into his twin- the tonality is unmatched- you feel it in your core.

    I get chills just thinking about it- talk about Eargasm.
     
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  14. SkunkPrince Jun 24, 2020

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    Of course they could, they used the same output transformers!
     
  15. pat mull Jun 24, 2020

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    I have a twin reverb - one downside is it's pretty heavy. But it is a beast.

    I bought a Mesa lone star special so I don't go deaf. It has a wattage switch, so you can really drive lower wattages. But even 5 watts is ridiculously loud

    The twin can make things fall off the walls with ease
     
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  16. krogerfoot Jun 24, 2020

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    There was a time when I would have worn a suit made out of the thick silvery fabric that covers the speaker cones of a Fender amp. It's amusing to learn that the gear I used when I was touring and living on a $10 per diem is on anyone's grail list now. Well, as long as I don't think about it too hard.
     
  17. pat mull Jun 24, 2020

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  18. JwRosenthal Jun 24, 2020

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    The operative is in the past tense. They stopped using the Autoformer design in the early 80’s- it was too expensive and they were too heavy. All of their gear post ‘83ish is strait up modern solid state until they started the reissues of the tube gear about 15 years ago. Not to say their SS sounded bad, they just lost that house sound. They were one of the last hold-out’s in using tube iron with solid state- truly a hybrid.

    And I don’t know how much if any is still made in Binghamton, NY.
     
  19. sdre Jun 24, 2020

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    you gotta experience it once, and you are hooked! ahha
     
  20. SkunkPrince Jun 24, 2020

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    I thought you were talking about that specific time....