I can maybe (maybe) understand Omega adding personal information on the extract. But, how can one trust these extracts if the same watch has two different delivery destinations on two different extracts? Do we really need to try to postulate all kinds of crazy theories?

 

I would prefer that they designate the information actually taken from the archives to distinguish it from information based on other sources. The current situation is just very confusing to me.

 

A good friend of mine and fellow collector lives in Zurich and often commutes to Geneva. I sent him the watch and asked if he could stop at Bienne as it is not much of a detour. Omega had a good look at the watch and agreed that it all appeared to be original as had been stated by many others. However he was advised the only way of having the archives checked was to apply and pay the 120 CHF. Below is a copy of the request that was sent to omega.

 

The engraving was done by the MoD, not Omega. Regarding the statement in the extract allow me to quote myself:

 

Back to the bespoken watch with two different extracts.

That is indeed very strange and puts the reliability of those extract in question. Is it possible that someone in the Omega archives had a bad day and mixed up numbers, or as greenecollector says, mixed up MOD with MEX? One would think that the results are at least double checked, but who knows. I doubt that the additional information ("...stamped W10... ) provided by the customers second request made a difference.

 

Thank you sharing that valuable information. I had not realised that the W10's were only issued in 1967 and the 0552 1968-1970. I do not normally collect Omega's so my knowledge is rather limited.
I must say being new to this forum it is full of valuable information, and highly knowledgeable individuals who seem very happy to constructively assist other. It makes a very welcome change compared with previous experiences on other forums.

 

This is great research and a reasonable hypothesis. But if it's true, it still doesn't make me feel very comfortable with the Extract situation. In general, a good archivist should not engage in educated guessing. They should say that the watch was sold to the MoD, and leave it at that.

 

[/QUOTE]...or as greenecollector says, mixed up MOD with MEX?[/QUOTE]

As I say, I only suggest this as it's not the first W10 I've seen as 'delivered to Mexico' which at the time of the anomaly I recorded and thought no more of it, this was for W10/210/67.

A second one, and a different watch makes me think there is more to this story.

Unfortunately, since it's unlikely we will see the exact records in the archive and exactly what's recorded we are left to speculate as to possible theories/reasons for these watches and other similar specialist pieces.

As I have stated several times on this extract subject - the extract is a nice thing to have but in tandem with other aspects of the watch being correct which requires careful checking of details.

An extract is not proof a watch is right or wrong either way in isolation, in my opinion.

 

I stopped ordering extracts from Omega some time ago (particularly for the 1930s / 1940s timeframe, but looks like later may be an issue as well). Simply too many errors, mistakes, situations where I assisted in correcting an extract, situations where auction houses "guided" them to updated extracts, etc. I find Longines to be significantly better in this regard - I value their extracts when they are available. For Omega, except in limited circumstances, they have little to no value from my perspective.

 

It's indeed just a hypothesis, it would make perfectly sense to me.

However, let's look at this extract below from an 0552 with a high 1970 issue number. S/N and delivery date belong without any doubt to a W10 Army. Very likely the movement or case had been swapped during an MoD service. Not uncommon, I have archived a couple of other 0552 with 2471xxx S/N and an W10 with 2630xxx S/N and delivery date later than the issue date.
Regarding this extract:
-If Omega would have done the engraving and not the MoD the extract should state W10.
-If Omega had any info in the archive about Army or Navy delivery the extract should state W10.
-If the MoD gave Omega a feedback about the engraving after receiving the watch the extract should state W10.
-If the archive staff would make an educated guess about the engraving just by the delivery date the extract should state W10.
So at least in this case, the archive staff made up the remarks by pictures or additional information provided by the customer.

 

And this is exactly the reason I feel if another extract was applied for by the owner of the sterile SM300 we are discussing in the other thread in a similar way, he may receive a different result.

Obviously best he should be able to hope for is Delivered to the Royal Navy and fixed bars.

 

And £5995 would be cheap for one of those!

 

If some are still in doubt who did the engraving, Omega itself prior delivery or the MoD after receiving... take a look at the following watch, auctioned in 2017:

"...42mm *MOD case with fixed bar lugs (unused and unissued), purchased from an MOD sale in Southampton approximately 20 years ago along with other cases..."

https://bid.gardinerhoulgate.co.uk/.../22092?uact=5&aid=52&lid=22089&current_page=0

 

comexchris watch is now offered at the bay for 55k GBP ... quite greedy expectation FMPOV. Good luck with the sale, you might find some idiot who takes it for that price.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-16...epid=0&hash=item340c466fe2:g:qnEAAOSwig9c~~48Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

 

Hey, all it takes is one, and he'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

 

Regardless of the archives, it's seems clear that this W10 it's probably all correct. At 9k was a very good buy.

Current value on these it's probably around 20k as already stated. The fact that these had no T probably detracts some potential buyers as it's appearance it's identical to a civilian unit. Similarly to what has happened to MN Tudors.

Cool watch with a military history but certainly not worth 55k. But as stated it only takes one buyer.

For the records, a similar one was withdrawn just recently with en estimate of 30k.

Will see now how the BT CT do as these as well have had weaker results than in previous years.

 

The one at Bonhams went unsold and estimate was pretty low. On the other hand the Milsub went well above expectation, 100+

Obviously, prices are driven by demand but still don't understand why the Omegas have fallen such, even more so when we see civilian units fetching at this level.

 

That was a great find. Even at market value these SM300's with military provenance prove to be pretty good value for money.

 

Watch is now on eBay.

Suspect that this isn’t a genuine seller and is reusing pictures from this forum.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/184139545454