Vintage Speedy 145.022 - pls help

Speedy Austrian · May 17, 2020

Hi everyone - am making another attempt to get my hands on a vintage Speedmaster 145.022 from the 70s or 80s (the last time I tried, someone else bought the model I wanted). I found 2 good options on the internet and am more inclined to go with the second option as the watch is in better condition. I'm not an Omega expert and it is difficult for me to tell how authentic the two versions are. Would you mind letting me know your thoughts on the models?

Thanks a lot for the advice!!

Option 1: 145.022-78 ST from ebay
This one would be my preference if it wasn't for the dent in the bezel right above the crown. Comes with box and papers, model from the late 70s, perfect. The dent is the problem, especially as I don't know how easily it can be fixed. If anyone had any thoughts on this, that would help me a lot.

More pics:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Spee...5-022-Tritium-Dial-Vintage-Watch/153929821910

Option 2: 145.022 from another forum (seller based in Singapore)
This one is nice as it comes with box and papers too, seller is based in Singapore (so close to home) and I like the patina that the dial and the bezel have developed. Just wanted to check your thoughts on authenticity. Slightly worried about the fact that there are no pictures of the movement and the seller can only send those once shops in Singapore have opened again.

More pics:
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-1985-omega-speedmaster-861-a-5144791.html

Barking mad · May 17, 2020

I actually like the look of both. For the second one I am assuming that the distortion of the lume at 6 and 4 is damage on the crystal. You say it has box and paper but the add says no box or paper😕.
The first one looks nice and the fact that it definitely has box and papers is a plus. The bezel is not a biggy and they do come up from time to time. Just factor it into your purchases offer.

Aquariusmatic · May 17, 2020

The second one is iffy at 6 o clock also and the 8 o clock is suspect? Is it a shadow or is it missing lume? I've seen the advertisement too and am watching it just out of curiosity.

I'd take the first base on character, and the box and paper but I'm a noob. I'd make due diligence regarding the papers as I've come to see a lot of those popping up in Italy on ebay.it an subito.it going from 30 to 100€ both stamped but not numbered etc.

Speedy Austrian · May 17, 2020

Barking mad
I actually like the look of both. For the second one I am assuming that the distortion of the lume at 6 and 4 is damage on the crystal. You say it has box and paper but the add says no box or paper😕.
The first one looks nice and the fact that it definitely has box and papers is a plus. The bezel is not a biggy and they do come up from time to time. Just factor it into your purchases offer.

You're right, it does not, my mistake. I've asked the seller for some more pictures of the bezel and will take a deeper look.

beerbelly · May 17, 2020

Wrong bezel for second watch and I think it’s artificially faded too.

dennisthemenace · May 17, 2020

Speedy Austrian
You're right, it does not, my mistake. I've asked the seller for some more pictures of the bezel and will take a deeper look.

I think any decent watchmaker could work on that dent to make it look 100% better. The aluminium insert doesn't appear to be badly damaged.
If that happened to my watch I would actually have a go myself.

Aludic · May 17, 2020

beerbelly
Wrong bezel for second watch and I think it’s artificially faded too.

Well spotted, that bezel is certainly not correct and given it is a modern version, likely bleached. On an early 80s Speedy, should be a DNN with the large TACHYMETRE font, no accent. Also, the hour markers look a little sloppy compared to my own Speedy from the same period (47xxxxxx). I'd pass on that one and rather consider the first.

On the first one; do note that a bezel replacement of the same type will certainly cost more than a few hundred in decent condition. Prices on these are not that low (anymore). Also, factor in a service and take the papers with a grain of salt. While the set appears nicely complete at first, the papers aren't filled out and could indicate the set is cobbled together. Still, I quite like the look of that one!

Speedy Austrian · May 17, 2020

Wow, this is so helpful, thank you! Meanwhile I received some more pics of #2:

Speedy Austrian · May 17, 2020

There's also still this one that is offered by another user of this forum - although the lume colour is not as nice and the 78 is probably there more sought after model?

https://omegaforums.net/threads/fs-...ement-no-45-58x-xxx-1981.108351/#post-1426485

Dan S · May 17, 2020

You should basically add $1000 USD to the price of the second for the correct bezel. There is a reason it has not sold.

ejj · May 17, 2020

Personally I’m not a fan of the artificial bezel look. Patina is something that is slowly developed over time—little nicks and scratches. The bleaching/ghosting process tends to leave a uniform finish that doesn’t occur naturally.

Barking mad · May 17, 2020

ejj
Personally I’m not a fan of the artificial bezel look. Patina is something that is slowly developed over time—little nicks and scratches. The bleaching/ghosting process tends to leave a uniform finish that doesn’t occur naturally.

I agree, slightly earlier year (1969) but all natural.

BenBagbag · May 17, 2020

The first one is the prize. Go for that one.

ejj · May 17, 2020

Agreed—the bezel has a ding and I would keep it like that. The hands and dial look to be a nice color. And the bracelet is good.

killer67 · May 17, 2020

1st one looks more honest to my eyes

CJpickup57 · May 17, 2020

I would choose the first one and leave the bezel alone or if I had access to a decent watchmaker, let them have a go at making it slightly better.

The second and the later added third option do not appeal to me. The second one for sure has had “extra” done to it and the lume is not pleasing IMO.

Also, waiting for a better one to come along is not a bad thing. Absence makes the heart grow fonder sort of thing. Don’t force a “this one is better than that one” purchase just because of excitement. Taking extra time hunting will also help you in learning the subtleties of the vintage pieces you are interested in to make an excellent buying choice and knowledge to negotiate pricing with sellers.

Speedy Austrian · May 24, 2020

Found another one on WUS - looks like a decent model, but shouldn't a watch from the 70s have more patina?
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/f...riginal-bracelet-serviced-2017-a-5185245.html

ejj · May 24, 2020

Speedy Austrian
Found another one on WUS - looks like a decent model, but shouldn't a watch from the 70s have more patina?
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f29/f...riginal-bracelet-serviced-2017-a-5185245.html

Patina can mean a lot of different things. The bracelet and case certainly have wear. The lume is missing in one of the hands. Are you looking for a more “vintage” looking dial?

Speedy Austrian · May 26, 2020

Yes, I guess I'm looking for a model where lume and hands have a slightly more yellow tone. Found a few more nice ones on WUS and eBay

1) 145.022-69ST with a stepped dial. Watch looks beautiful, but there must be a catch. Is the bracelet correct? This has been there since March and has not sold.
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f30/f...22-69st-220-bezel-pre-moon-watch-5151709.html

2) 145.022-69, eBay auction, stepped dial, DON bezel - this one is amazing too, but will probably clear above my budget.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Spee...ph-Pre-Moon-Watch-145022-69-1969/402271021595

3) 145.022-74, eBay auction, stepped dial, probably going to be more affordable, but the bezel looks too new?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Spee...d-Dial-Ref-145-022-74ST-Circa-74/274376846375

4) 145.022-76, eBay auction, seconds hand looks replaced?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/163310074299

nzshadow · May 26, 2020

Your 2nd example has lume issues at 2,4,6,8, & 9. Plus it has been established that the bezel is incorrect. I would not buy that watch. (and would wager that there will be issues with the movement too).

Vintage Speedy 145.022 - pls help

Speedy Austrian

Barking mad

Aquariusmatic

Speedy Austrian

beerbelly

dennisthemenace

Aludic

Speedy Austrian

Speedy Austrian

Dan S

ejj

Barking mad

BenBagbag

ejj

killer67

CJpickup57

Speedy Austrian

ejj

Speedy Austrian

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