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Vintage Speedmaster but not sure it is all genuine

Davidt
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Unfortunately it has service dial, hands, bezel, caseback, crown and bracelet.
 
ZWD
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looks like a 145.012 that went in for a service and had everything replaced and polished.

Caseback is service, hence the 0012 vs 012.
Bezel is now DNN
Dial is a service dial with non tritium lume
Endlinks and bracelet are no longer 516/1039
and crown

it’s genuine, but not original to the watch.
 
gotthevintageflu
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ZWD ZWD
looks like a 145.012 that went in for a service and had everything replaced and polished.

Caseback is service, hence the 0012 vs 012.
Bezel is now DNN
Dial is a service dial with non tritium lume
Endlinks and bracelet are no longer 516/1039
and crown

it’s genuine, but not original to the watch.
Thanks for the feedback.
Serviced by Omega or could be any watchmaker?
 
big case
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a service by omega would be a extension in a error chain under financial aspects
 
bgrisso
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The question is not are the parts genuine, rather…….are the parts original. Big difference. This looks like a factory service gone wild. Which is why it’s not generally recommended to use factory service for vintage. It can be an extremely expensive way to devalue a watch. Impossible to know if this was factory or independent service without documentation.
If this was sold to you as completely original, with commensurate price, that’s not cool. Not sure how long ago you bought it but I would start investigating your options asap.
If you got it cheap, there’s a price point at which it’s OK, if you want a new looking watch, but for most collectors, it will not appeal.
I hope you can work something out.
 
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big case big case
also the movement number has to be checked
was it ground off? Not sure it is even there to check.
 
big case
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i assumed, that it has been made unrecognizable by the TS (digital not analog 😃😁😁😄)

if not, ...
 
ZWD
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gotthevintageflu gotthevintageflu
Thanks for the feedback.
Serviced by Omega or could be any watchmaker?
Cant be certain unless you have a paper trail-
It cant be any watchmaker. It can be an independent watchmaker but they would be an authorized one to have access to the service parts.
I would wager a guess Omega worked on it, but again, no way to know unless you have evidence.

It is unfortunate as anyone that collects them is looking for originality. But on the flipside you have a very nice modernized 321 movement speedmaster 😀
 
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It is basically a WatchCo Speedmaster. It should be worn as such which means that this is a wearer. I just don't understand why the serial number was ground off, makes no sense. I bought a 145.022 69 thta went through a service at Omega and the dial, hands, bezel, pushers, crown were replaced (I bought the watch with all the original parts that came with it). I thought i would put the original components in it but I actually like wearing it like this since I am not afraid of damaging anything and I have other vintage Speedmasters to wear if I want to.
 
ZWD
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I do not think the serial number is ground off.. likely just blurred out the number for the photograph.
it is certainly a watch to be worn like one would have in 1968 😀
 
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bgrisso bgrisso
The question is not are the parts genuine, rather…….are the parts original. Big difference. This looks like a factory service gone wild. Which is why it’s not generally recommended to use factory service for vintage. It can be an extremely expensive way to devalue a watch. Impossible to know if this was factory or independent service without documentation.
If this was sold to you as completely original, with commensurate price, that’s not cool. Not sure how long ago you bought it but I would start investigating your options asap.
If you got it cheap, there’s a price point at which it’s OK, if you want a new looking watch, but for most collectors, it will not appeal.
I hope you can work something out.
I got it for 5.1k usd, 6 months ago. Not sure if this is considered cheap. At that time, I was less carefull. The seller didn't mention anything so I assumed it was all original. Plus, it was during an auction where it was not possible to chat with the seller before the bid.
Anyway, thanks for the feedback.
 
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ZWD ZWD
Cant be certain unless you have a paper trail-
It cant be any watchmaker. It can be an independent watchmaker but they would be an authorized one to have access to the service parts.
I would wager a guess Omega worked on it, but again, no way to know unless you have evidence.

It is unfortunate as anyone that collects them is looking for originality. But on the flipside you have a very nice modernized 321 movement speedmaster 😀
Thinking about it, a brand new 321 from Omega right now sells for 16k usd. So I got something like new for much less then...
I might as well replace the case back with a open one 🙄
 
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gotthevintageflu gotthevintageflu
Thinking about it, a brand new 321 from Omega right now sells for 16k usd. So I got something like new for much less then...
I might as well replace the case back with a open one.
Thta is exactly how i would see it. You have a brand new 321 Speedmaster for $5k and you can wear it to your heart's content. Just enjoy it, you did not buy a fake you bought a newly rebuilt one.
 
ZWD
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Yes, expensive for a vintage speedmaster with very little vintage left in it - but a lot less than a modern 321. Go give it a lifetime of use.
if you ever buy anything speedmaster related again, you can always post pictures here as you did and get opinions prior to bidding, or even better would be get educated with this fantastic resource: www.speedmaster101.com
 
Dan S
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I don't know what a watch like this is really worth, but I'm sure you'd have no trouble selling it if you wanted to raise funds to buy a legit vintage model. Not everyone is a collector, and watches with service parts have a surprisingly large market of buyers.
 
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