Vintage Omega vs other vintage watches servicing price

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Yesterday I talked to a skilled Horologist and he quoted me almost double(or at min 1.5) the price(doesn't include replacement parts) for servicing an Omega cal. 601 based watch vs a King Seiko based on 45KS(36000 bph) watch. Both calibers are hand wound. Normally I would expect the 45KS(4502,4520,4522) to be more complex.

Is servicing 601 harder, etc.? What makes for the price discrepancy?
 
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Is he an Omega certified watchmaker?

How much did he ask? And where are you located? Members of the forum could give you some names based on your location.
 
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I wouldn't expect the base price to be different for servicing those two movements.
 
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Omega has more prestige than Seiko. Therefor. You pay more. If Rolex. Would have paid 2x or more
 
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The risk is higher with a more expensive priced watch to damage something. A watchmaker has to be even more careful with it. My guess on the price difference.
 
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In this case, the Omega is not substantially more valuable.
 
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Omega has more prestige than Seiko. Therefor. You pay more. If Rolex. Would have paid 2x or more

I agree about Seiko as a brand of vintage stuff.

An average vintage Seiko in very good condition could be easily had for even 200-300$. There are exceptions though: Lord Marvel(5740C) ain't cheap.

A vintage Omega, for 200-300 $ in good condition, it's either a ladies watch or a very unpopular model.

But vintage King Seiko and Grand Seiko are not cheap by any means. Based on my research a mint one can easily fetch at least 1000$.
Even the worst 45KS go for at least 300$ in horrible condition.

So I wonder why would anyone think 601 is more prestigious. Not to mention, the horologist said it's easy to find parts for 601 making me think it's even more risky to work on 45KS because you can't replace stuff as easily if you damage it.
 
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Interesting enough, I have an old 601/14750 out on my bench. Mostly as a practice watch. Not one of my favorites as it is a redial, I also do not like the spindly lugs. The hands are also foxed with rust spots blisters and look dull and lifeless. Thinking some NOS hands I have had sitting around for years might look better on it.

Do not have any KS or GS watches. I did get some Seiko 5s for next to nothing. As far as I know there is not really anything to favor one over the other on a technical level. Anyone with minimal training should be able to work on either watch with similar effort.

Did read an interesting book on the Japanese watch industry what I think @Foo2rama recommended. Does put some things in perspective. There are a lot of similarities to Switzerland as at one time before the war these were seen as low wage countries.

It really comes down to perception. The Swiss in the 1990s went out of their way to target the high end of the markets. Focusing on the upscale. The Asian makers on volume and market saturation.

This OP's observations sounds more like xenophobia, A sort of Eurocentric favoritism.

It also seems that after unification, one does not see so much cheap German stuff these days either. I think that and the French stuff of the 1970s and 1970s was highly subsidized.

What really happens to the companies is in the long run, they become operated by the pension fund managers. So there is little incentive for creating anything new, that might be risky.
 
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Interesting enough, I have an old 601/14750 out on my bench. Mostly as a practice watch. Not one of my favorites as it is a redial, I also do not like the spindly lugs. The hands are also foxed with rust spots blisters and look dull and lifeless. Thinking some NOS hands I have had sitting around for years might look better on it.

Do not have any KS or GS watches. I did get some Seiko 5s for next to nothing. As far as I know there is not really anything to favor one over the other on a technical level. Anyone with minimal training should be able to work on either watch with similar effort.

Did read an interesting book on the Japanese watch industry what I think @Foo2rama recommended. Does put some things in perspective. There are a lot of similarities to Switzerland as at one time before the war these were seen as low wage countries.

It really comes down to perception. The Swiss in the 1990s went out of their way to target the high end of the markets. Focusing on the upscale. The Asian makers on volume and market saturation.

This OP's observations sounds more like xenophobia, A sort of Eurocentric favoritism.

It also seems that after unification, one does not see so much cheap German stuff these days either. I think that and the French stuff of the 1970s and 1970s was highly subsidized.

What really happens to the companies is in the long run, they become operated by the pension fund managers. So there is little incentive for creating anything new, that might be risky.
I don't see Seiko as inferior, to the contrary, I have selected Seiko as well as Omega for my brands of interest, since I know I can't just collect at random.

I also like Rolex, but it's too expensive compared to Seiko/Omega.

I think lots(if not most) people are prejudiced and xenophobic. I have seen tons of Europeans like that, but then I've seen a lot Japanese too. It goes both ways.

I've come to mostly ignore it when I see it, because it's way too prevalent. There's xenophobia even between different European countries when people share like almost all of their DNA. Think of how people look at say Romania vs Greece.

Humans are just irrational.

Btw you might want to read on brand perception in Japan, most articles I've found place Rolex at the top of the chain, whereas Grand Seiko and Omega seem to be somewhat equivalent. Seiko is out there too but more like low/mid-tier, above Casio/Citizen, but a bit below Tissot. Of course this is just some random opinion of people who are not really into watches. They don't interview hardcore collectors 😁
 
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Some on this forum may not really follow the KS/GS market, but vintage GS/KS are pretty much on par with equivalent Omega models, when there are equivalents. For example, you can get into a decent stainless example at $500, and a top-notch SS chronometer is in the $2000-$2500 USD range.
 
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Yesterday I talked to a skilled Horologist and he quoted me almost double(or at min 1.5) the price(doesn't include replacement parts) for servicing an Omega cal. 601 based watch vs a King Seiko based on 45KS(36000 bph) watch. Both calibers are hand wound. Normally I would expect the 45KS(4502,4520,4522) to be more complex.

Is servicing 601 harder, etc.? What makes for the price discrepancy?

Why don't you ask him?...
 
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I think those price differences is just a device some watchmakers use to charge more whoever they can charge more in order to create a sustainable business as they see it.
There was a watchmaker in my neighborhood who had a very good reputation amongst other watchmakers, when I first came in for a watch inspection after a purchase (my own watchmaker was away), thia guy told me first he was no longer servicing watches. Then he saw me take pictures of the incoming watch, and we had a quick chat about the condition of the movement and the amplitude; at that point he said he was willing to service watches for enthusiasts who understood, and his price list was a function of the brand.

The clear problem for watchmakers in my country at least is that many potential clients don’t understand the work and are not willing to pay for its true value.
Brand discrimination appears like an objective criterion to present the wider public even though we know it’s completely arbitrary.
 
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I wonder how the watchmaker would evaluate the job if I brought in a 10k € Citizen Glorious for a service.
I mean it does say Citizen on the dial. The movement is a chronometer rated.
If I wouldn't reveal how rare and expensive the watch is, he'd think it's just perhaps 300€ and ask 100€ for a job.
 
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I wonder how the watchmaker would evaluate the job if I brought in a 10k € Citizen Glorious for a service.
I mean it does say Citizen on the dial. The movement is a chronometer rated.
If I wouldn't reveal how rare and expensive the watch is, he'd think it's just perhaps 300€ and ask 100€ for a job.
Very likely, if he doesn't recognize the specific movement/watch, he might quote a lower price.

But I think he will probably check thr model online first, at least to see the movement and to verify part availability so he might still see it's super rare.

Btw I didn't know about this watch. It looks a lot like a GS/KS, so that's an instant like from me.
 
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Why don't you ask him?...

What a novel idea...

I think those price differences is just a device some watchmakers use to charge more whoever they can charge more in order to create a sustainable business as they see it.

Speaking personally, I've never really understood this practice. You are paying for my time and expertise, and what the watch is valued at is immaterial to that. In fact, if anything it's more work to get a "lesser" quality watch to run well.
 
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What a novel idea...



Speaking personally, I've never really understood this practice. You are paying for my time and expertise, and what the watch is valued at is immaterial to that. In fact, if anything it's more work to get a "lesser" quality watch to run well.

In Estonia we have just few good watchmakers. Literally.
And one local guy here who’s been doing it for 10+ years does not touch expensive watches and never chronographs. He’s making 80+ % income from battery changes. So, when I take old Seiko or Citizen to him it’s better not to mention the value. Or he’ll refuse to work on it. For Omegas he charges more.
 
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Swatch group service center charges $700 for full service of a mechanical, non-chronograph Omega and only $350 for a similar Longines. And they make no distiction between a coaxial Omega and non-coaxial.
 
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What a novel idea...



Speaking personally, I've never really understood this practice. You are paying for my time and expertise, and what the watch is valued at is immaterial to that. In fact, if anything it's more work to get a "lesser" quality watch to run well.

Clearly it’s a pricing system that’s not based on the actual work done but on the perceived buying power of the customer. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying that’s what it is.
 
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Clearly it’s a pricing system that’s not based on the actual work done but on the perceived buying power of the customer. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying that’s what it is.

Yes, I know, it's very common.
 
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Clearly it’s a pricing system that’s not based on the actual work done but on the perceived buying power of the customer. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m just saying that’s what it is.
Unfortunately, that's the way it is.

Call me crazy, but when I send my vintage Seiko to my local specialized Seiko watchmaker, I never mention I own Omega (fearing he will charge me more on Seiko servicing).

I don't go in with rags on to his shop, but almost 😀 . Human psychology is a rabbit hole. I have witnessed being charged differently on other items based on external factors.