Views on Pie Pan Seamaster

take the first option and ask for more time.
This could be a very rare watch indeed -or of course a pig in a poke.
you have the grandees of the forum unsure as to which - so that alone makes it worth more time investigating.
if it's the former, then you'll kick yourself if you let it slip through your fingers

Hi Everyone.

I'm been following the discussion on my watch and kicking myself for not putting my watermark on all my photos as it might drive some further traffic to my site. I haven't posted on this forum since I was harassed by someone who didn't like my thick French accent and my grammar.

Firstly, I will share with you what I told the buyer as he has already posted.
We have fully serviced the watch and when it was taken apart for servicing I checked the dial behind for any indication of redial or the star hole for possible Constellation swap. Like all of you, this was a first for me and I consider it be a great find. If it was a redial, I would be very pleased to know the company or person who could work to this quality to refurbish any old dials with the correct font for the age, etc.

After seeing the post today, I had a go at fitting a piepan for a 561 into a Seamaster De Ville case and of course it didn't fit as one of you has already predicted. As we all know, the vintage world can be a bit of a mystery - especially with Omega's many many versions and configurations. I've done everything I can with my knowledge and research to check its veracity short of finding an Omega watchmaker from the 60s to remove any questions regarding authenticity. I welcome an introduction if anyone knows one personally.

Discussions like this are part of what I love about collecting. I'm happy to take the watch back as per our return policy but not extend the policy beyond 14 days. I would not be entirely pleased at the idea of the buyer or his contact taking the watch apart and then putting it back to return to me. (As an aside, I've had someone do this in the past who scratched the edge of the dial with a tool and returned me. Thankfully I had pictures to prove the condition.)

Thank you all for the feedback and interesting discussion.

Cyril

@avwatches
Good that you came back to give your view.
I wouldn’t worry about the non- watermarked pics.
I’m sure more than one of us found your site looking for the answer to this riddle. 😉

Understand you don’t want the OP to mess with the watch but you have whetted the appetite of the forum and could gain your business a great deal of kudos by helping the buyer determine originality.

E.g Any pics of the rear of the dial?

Hi Cyril, thanks for posting this.
As I said when we spoke prior to purchase I follow your site and you sell some great watches. This one jumped out at me hence my near immediate call when listed.
This is all GREAT stuff for me and the watch. Somebody with Omega knowledge who has actually inspected the watch vouching for it’s authenticity.
Also thank you for taking the time and effort of trying the pie pan 561 dial in a De Ville case, that answers that really big question.
As per my post I said I would contact you ’the seller' about gaining images of the watch internals. I wouldn’t dream of having this carried out before discussing with you, please be rest assured.
You are clearly a responsible seller as I am collector.
Time for some water marks on your images to gain some traffic, and hopefully this thread will do that. I didn’t mention where the watch had come from which I think is a fair one as you never know the reception it will receive.
The big question for myself and everyone viewing, is images of the back of the dial. Perhaps we should be doing this privately through AVW? Anyway I believe they are needed its just a simple matter of how we can achieve that.
I thank you again for your post and think that really hots up this thread.
By the way I love the watch, it is keeping PERFECT time and have enjoyed the interest and discussion about it. Made massively more fruitful by your input.
I look forward to the further responses.

Glad you like the watch but given the wide "itch" of everyone needing to see the inside behind the dial, email me and we can sort return. This is not something I would normally do as it's quite time-consuming. Wishing I had taken photos at the time but it's not part my normal website. photography. Maybe you can come over and work on our plumbing while I do the operation with you present? I just spent a day defrosting frozen pipes with a hairdryer on Thursday. Where were you when I needed you?

Speak soon.

Cyril

Thanks Cyril. I will be in touch about how WE scratch that itch.
Maybe I will bring my van along to sort your plumbing issues!

Paul

After a lovely afternoon spent with Cyril, AV Watches I have the photographs.
Cyrils' skilled hands removed the dial.
The back of the dial shows the markings MUO 426.




Due to Cyril's alladins cave of Omega dials, we were able to get a comparison next to a Constellation pie pan dial.
You can see the rivet for the star on the Constellation but nothing on the Seamaster and no signs of filling.



The grinding marks from manufacture are all very old and nice and uniform in colour. No sign of new scratch marks on top of the original marks.
Similar to the genuine non pie pan Seamaster dial shown here.



I must thank Cyril for his time and patience assisting with this. A top bloke with some superb watches!

Nice watch

Surely an Extract of the Archives is the next logical step?

very interesting to read

Interesting rarity.... remind me of my friend's elusive Seamaster Constellation that generate quite heated discussion.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/seamaster-constellation.50419/