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gbesq
·Good point, Bob.
Two Years Later — How Good Is The Current Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch?
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tictacmen
·Most interesting bit in the article is this sentence.
"From what I know and have heard, this is the first Moonwatch iteration of which the sapphire version sells in higher numbers than the Hesalite model."
I suspected the 3861 SS was pretty popular but didn't realize it was that popular. The 1863 SS was such a slow mover compared to the 1861 Hesalite. Omega was smart to add additional features in the 3861 SS vs the 3861 Hesalite to convince people to get the more expensive version.
In my case I had a 1861 hesalite since 1999 and while I was interested in the SS I did not jump due to the lack of magnetic shield provided by the soft iron cover of the hesalite version. The new 3861 been immune to magnetism I could finally make the jump. Also as the mechanism 3861 is some how new, the historical appeal of the hesalite version is also somehow a bit diminished. Maybe those are contributing factors to chose th SS version for other people too…
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Redwes25
·Also, purely from an aesthetic standpoint, I think going from the five second between minutes interval to three seconds makes the minute track look less appealing:
This is spot on and as an owner of several vintage speedmasters as well as the immediately prior model which I use more as my a daily wearer I don't think I would ever go to the newer model given the dial. I think it is major step-down. Also, a disappointment that the hesalite version doesn't have the applied logo.
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rcs914
·Honestly it seems to me weird that you can get a genuine vintage model still for less than a new one, even in almost perfect shape.
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Duckie
·What he's saying is that the 3861 (and any other Metas certified watch) has been individually tested for water resistance, whereas the 1861 had a general water resistance, and not every watch per se was individually tested before being sold.
Right👍
That's what I thought he was saying.
I have been trundling along believing all high end watches were tested to ensure they meet specs rather than generally meet the specs.
Now I understand the broader significance of Metas😉
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Duckie
·Also, purely from an aesthetic standpoint, I think going from the five second between minutes interval to three seconds makes the minute track look less appealing:
I'm the opposite and never liked the 5 ticks per second markings.
To me, they're totally superfluous and irrelevant whilst filling the perimeter of the dial with unnecesary clutter.
It somehow makes the watch cheap to my way of thinking and motivates me to look toward the 3861.
It didn't stop me from picking up a 1861 though, as the price was right with a 5 year warranty before they were sold out.
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GoBlueJedi
·Also, purely from an aesthetic standpoint, I think going from the five second between minutes interval to three seconds makes the minute track look less appealing.
Personally, I like that the marks finally align with the chronograph frequency. Always seemed a little silly to me that the chronograph wouldn't stop at a specific mark.
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Duckie
·Personally, I like that the marks finally align with the chronograph frequency. Always seemed a little silly to me that the chronograph wouldn't stop at a specific mark.
Agreed.
Somehow more than a little silly👎
But what would I know about these things?
All things considered any stopping point between the second marks is irrelevant as it's only an approximate measurement anyway and well within any reasonable margin of error with the way these things actually operate. There have always been better ways to measure time through stop watches.
But it's nice when everything has a certain synergy and harmony to any design😉
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FSG
·For me the new 3861 is a great upgrade on the previous iteration. Step-dial alone makes it worth it from an aesthetic pov. Totally changes the perception of the dial under certain light.
Only « downside » is with the tapering of the strap/bracelet which am not a big fan of… can be easily swapped out though.
Only « downside » is with the tapering of the strap/bracelet which am not a big fan of… can be easily swapped out though.
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artek
·Agree with minute track being less appealing now.
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ibis888
·If we’re talking details… the smaller “short and fat” pushers on the 3861, mirroring the old 105.012s, is a nice detail as well.
While I prefer the aesthetics of a vintage Speedmaster and my dream watch is a 105.012-66 CB.. I understand the appeal of a modern watch.. you can wear it without fear.
The new or like new 3861s on the sales forum still seem like a good deal for what you are getting… especially compared to what else is out there in the same price range.
While I prefer the aesthetics of a vintage Speedmaster and my dream watch is a 105.012-66 CB.. I understand the appeal of a modern watch.. you can wear it without fear.
The new or like new 3861s on the sales forum still seem like a good deal for what you are getting… especially compared to what else is out there in the same price range.
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bsowers34
·I have no experience with the older ones, but I have two current ones. My white one I got June 1 has been at Omega for repair for two months because it only ran 8 hours on a full wind. My hesalite I got to wear while it's gone runs over 60 hours. New one is back and working great. The white dial makes a huge difference, but I like the black one more the more I wear it.
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chiefenergy
·I've worn my 3861 hesalite for three years. My collection is now two pieces. It's that good.
