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Tuesday teaser - wonky Constellation
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Gui13250
·I’ll start with that:
Wrong crown
Missing bezel
Wrong caseback
I thinks wrong second hand (looks like it has been shortened)
Wrong crown
Missing bezel
Wrong caseback
I thinks wrong second hand (looks like it has been shortened)
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersI’ll start with that:
Wrong crown
Missing bezel
Wrong caseback
I thinks wrong second hand (looks like it has been shortened)
Jolly good 👍
not sure if the bezel is missing - I think it is there but polished to death, along with the lugs.
(There’s no side shot to confirm if the case is kosher but I think it is)
Would you like to expand upon why the case back is wrong?
Anything else possibly wrong?
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Gui13250
·I think that the brick version of the observatory has never be seen on those Dog leg, but are usually seen on C-cased model.
Am I right?! 😀
Am I right?! 😀
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cineaste
·The wrong crown does not concern me that much, but of course i would not touch it with a bargepole even if it was not a redial because it is polished to death! I have to admit i missed the wrong caseback, I did not pay too much attention because of the other issues and also the inscription at the back, which i usually tolerate on more affordable watches!
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersI think that the brick version of the observatory has never be seen on those Dog leg, but are usually seen on C-cased model.
Am I right?! 😀
I've no reason to believe that there aren’t post-mid 60s 167.005s casebacks with brickwork observatories- and they certainly appeared on hidden crown Connies (not just c-cases)
- but how about a post mid 60s golden medallion on an SS case?
the 1965 engraving fits with an early none-precious metal case brickwork observatory
- but how about the 17,000,xxx movt serial?
this movement might (just) have begun life in a very early 14900
but with the redial and all of the other issues, this looks like an assembly of parts.
A true frankenwatch and definitely one to avoid.
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iamvr
·I've no reason to believe that there aren’t post-mid 60s 167.005s casebacks with brickwork observatories- and they certainly appeared on hidden crown Connies (not just c-cases)
- but how about a post mid 60s golden medallion on an SS case?
the 1965 engraving fits with an early none-precious metal case brickwork observatory
- but how about the 17,000,xxx movt serial?
this movement might (just) have begun life in a very early 14900
but with the redial and all of the other issues, this looks like an assembly of parts.
A true frankenwatch and definitely one to avoid.
I was just typing that the a SS version shouldn't have a golden medallion. I would have totally missed the swapped movement though 🤦.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorCaseback is genuine. The medallion is a fake and likely not gold.
The movement and caseback are from different years.
Let’s just call this a redialled frankenwatch and move on.
gatorcpa
The movement and caseback are from different years.
Let’s just call this a redialled frankenwatch and move on.
gatorcpa
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersCaseback is genuine. The medallion is a fake and likely not gold.
The movement and caseback are from different years.
Let’s just call this a redialled frankenwatch and move on.
gatorcpa
Why do you think the medallion is fake?
Looks like a classic brickwork medallion to me.
And it would be a lot of effort to remove a golden medallion and then replace it with another one.
However, it shouldn’t be on an SS case.
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LuckyLes
·The hands don't match the indices either.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorWhy do you think the medallion is fake?
The brickwork medallions were used on gold-capped “C” cases Constellations and I believe they would also fit the earlier cases.
Maybe not fake so much as incorrect. I cannot tell if this particular one came from another case or was a cast copy.
gatorcpa
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berrychlossom
·Is that a Royal Oak crown? maybe worth something
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersSeen dozens of them on eBay over the years of varying quality. Medallions did fall off on occasion.
The brickwork medallions were used on gold-capped “C” cases Constellations and I believe they would also fit the earlier cases.
Maybe not fake so much as incorrect. I cannot tell if this particular one came from another case or was a cast copy.
gatorcpa
I will readily agree that cases lost their medallions and admit that I don’t have an example of a brickwork medallion on a dogleg case to use as an example - but they did feature on almost all other 60s constellations produced post mid 60s, including the tail end of earlier references such as the .004s.
(which was why I said I’ve no reason to believe they weren’t used on doglegs - but that is entirely supposition on my part)
Mine are locked away so I’ve borrowed a pic from Desmond’s site.
Notice the OP medallion has the raised edge style more in keeping with the earlier medallions rather than the flatter edge shown here but the observatory and stars look to be the same style.
Truth be told -the pics aren’t good enough to be sure and without the watch in hand we’re never going to know.
what we do know is that the watch is a dog but provides a useful exercise to highlight some of the issues to look out for when buying Constellations
(which was the purpose of the thread)
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TexOmega
·Movement possibly from a very late 14381, if you squint just right.
But quite the amalgamation of pieces.
But quite the amalgamation of pieces.
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