Hello guys

I have a very nice Omega Seamaster Professional Apollo 11. I bought the watch 5 years ago and could really really like to know more about it. I think I get very many different answers when I search online and this is the last try before I have to order "extract from the archives" from Omega. I hope there are some who can help me answer these questions and maby tell me someting new about this lovley watch.

The cal. is 863 (stampes on the movement)
There is no series number on the exterior watch only stampe on the movement.
The series number starting with 4832.xxxx

Very good day to all

 

Hello @OliverSjostrom and welcome to OF!

What you have there is an early version of the reference 3592.50.

Here is an article that goes into detail about this reference :

https://www.fratellowatches.com/speedmaster-professional-caliber-863-reference-359250/

According to Omega's heritage database your watch was produced between 1989-1995.

https://www.omegawatches.com/de/watch-omega-speedmaster-de-luxe-3592-50-00

It's a nice watch! I like the Hesalite Crystal on top and sapphire display back. Although I'm usually not a fan of display casebacks on tool watches, I'd make an exception here as the 863 caliber is nicely finished and dressed up compared to the base 861 caliber you would find in a regular speedmaster from this era.

BTW, the correct steel bracelet for this early variation of the 3592.50 would be the bracelet with the reference number 1479. They are still coming up on ebay from time to time, but be prepared to spend some cash on a nice one.


Hope that answers most of your questions. If you have more, come back, you found the right place for everything Speedmaster and beyond with OF .


Edit: An extract is a nice thing to have, I got one for my speedmaster too, but it won't tell you with what box and bracelet the watch originally came from.
And one more thing, your watch was one of the last speedmaster references to be produced with a tritium dial (luminous material used on the hour markers and hands).
Should you ever decide to service the watch, don't send it to Omega. There is always the possibility that they will change the Dial and Hands to new service parts, which will no longer feature the tritium as luminous material and your watch would take a hit in terms of originality and value.
If you need a competent watchmaker, just ask here and give your location, there's most likely a member on here from the same area who can give you advice on what watchmaker to use for service.

Edit Nr.2 :

Almost forgot: you can type in your movement number into this search engine provided by one of our members and get a quite good estimate on when your watch was produced:

https://www.ilovemyspeedmaster.com/productiondateprediction

Happy treasure hunting .

Cheers,

Max

 

Hi Max @Speedmasterfan88

Thank you so much for you giving the time to tell me all this.

That is perfect. I have worn the watch for 5 years ish and never really know anyting about it.

Now i do and I think i have made a pretty good investment 5 years ago

Do you know wich box is the officiel for this ref?

Have a nice day

Oliver

 

No problem Oliver! I‘m glad I could help you enjoying your speedmaster even more.

Unfortunately I‘m not a big expert in the Box game.
If you look around at 3592.50‘s for sale as full sets you will see them most of the times with grey generic omega boxes and card pouches. That said I‘ve also seen some with the generic Red omega box that omega used for years. So I‘m not 100% sure which one would be original to a 3592.50 but I‘d guess the grey one, with white outer box.

You will find those still for sale on eBay in various conditions.

Maybe some one more experienced will chime in on that matter.

Cheers,

Max

 

Thanks again. No problem. I will hope there is someone else there have a right answer.

It is funny - I was trying the webside you talked about: https://www.ilovemyspeedmaster.com/productiondateprediction

But it says the watch has a 861 cal. and it really has a 863 cal according to the engraving

 

Hi Oliver,

I think iloovemyspeedmaster does not distinguish between the different variations of the 861 movement.
The 863 is basicly a "dressed up" 861 movement, the main differences are in the finishing of the parts, one more jewel and a metal instead of a platic brake.

 

ahh okay. that make sense. my 863 has 17 so 861 must have 16 ? right ?

 

That would be correct . The follow up version of the 861 used in speedmasters up to this day is the 1861, and also features 17 jewels.

Cheers,

Max

 

Mine says hello. I bought this one in 1990. This is the bracelet that came with it. Shown with the clear back removed. I’ll try to show the original box and warranty, later.

 

Thanks that would be a great help. Here is a new fresh picture from tonight.

 

My Speedmaster (as above), with box, cardboard shell, papers, and hang tag, Read the tag, and weep. (I was working for an Omega dealer In 1990, and bought it for dealer cost). We didn’t fill in the warranty, as you will see.

 

No the OP appears to have the 17 jewel version. The 18th jewel is not on that watch. The 1863 would have received the 18th jewel near the end of the Gold version of the movements. Mid 95-97

All 861’s had at least 17 jewels until about 1995. (MWO) I thought the change over was 1989 though. After which they all had 18.


It’s also possible like other 861 variants that early 18 jewel movements are marked 17... too me it appears to be a 17 jewel movement but the lighting makes it hard to tell if it’s a bushing or jewel.




That is the 18th jewel. If it’s purple or reddish it’s a jewel. If it’s metal it’s a bushing and a 17 jewel movement. Note this is an 18 jewel movement marked 17 and this is seen in the transition across all users of the movement.

You can also clearly see the white Delrin brake in this shot.

 

Mine is from 1991, and is marked 17-jewels, and is calibre 863. The Delrin part on the watch above, is metal on mine, and the bearing indicated above is a jewel on mine (perhaps the 18th jewel?)

 

yup I really think that from 89-94 ish they where all marked 17 while they had 18. MWO states that 95 on they where marked 18.

 

When I open the I Love my Speedmaster site and type in my S#, the production date of Sept. 1991 shows up. Looks as though I might have bought it in 1992. I waited about 6 weeks for it after ordering it, so it must have come fresh from Omega stock.

 

Just wanted to quickly chime in here and just say that I continue to be blown away by knowledgeable posters here like @Foo2rama, @Speedmasterfan88, & @Canuck and I am sure there are more here on OF as well. Where else will you get such detailed feedback on serial numbers, movements, composition of movements and dating etc. Rookie myself and all this is mind bogglingly awesome to me

 

Thanks! but I know nothing I’m just regurgitating what the real experts have published.

 

You are right of course @Foo2rama , I should've said 17 and 18 jewels .

Thanks @haqq777 , but as Foo2rama said, I'm still a novice compared to the anoraks here on the forum in terms of speedmaster knowledge.

 

Thanks so much for your help. I would like to find a 1479 bracelet to complete the look. There is two on eBay. But the cost is very High, do you know other places online to find them?

 

Nice 3592 you got there!

Nice 3592 you got there!

I noticed your 3592 has the bigger "R" on Speedmaster:




versus the other ones will the one from the OP:





When did the change occurred?