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  1. dantheman3u4i Jan 20, 2019

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  2. MaiLollo Jan 20, 2019

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    The watch is nice but it looks relumed to me, dial plots darker than most, hands look perfectly matching and very white whereas the subdial hands look damaged.
     
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  3. dantheman3u4i Jan 20, 2019

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    Thanks for the quick responses!
     
  4. airansun In the shuffling madness Jan 20, 2019

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    30396DFE-DB62-4C9B-8C46-B30FA3095BC7.jpeg D212DEDF-38D9-4BCA-89B0-00500740A7CD.jpeg

    Service hands, painted and relumed, I think.

    The watch does appear to have correct pushers. The crown appears to be a reproduction of a proper A1 crown. F50C7A1D-97AF-4076-807C-C9C66457A0D2.jpeg D225ECD9-3465-4D96-AFF6-EAC21E2ECD05.jpeg

    Best I could do with listing photos:

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    And what the crown should look like:
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  5. dantheman3u4i Jan 20, 2019

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    Reproduction crown!? That is a scary thought. I had no clue they exist.
     
  6. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Jan 20, 2019

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    Did I miss a memo on reproduction crowns @airansun ?
     
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  7. airansun In the shuffling madness Jan 20, 2019

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    @oddboy & @dantheman3u4i :

    I’ve gathered that somebody has been casting replica A1 crowns, given how much they are going for now. I’ve already forgotten where I was tipped off, but I’m sure it was somewhere here?

    Anyway, the replicas won’t show the correct segmentation that the period A1s have.

    I’m ready to be corrected if I’ve got this wrong.

    Examples:
    OLD:
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    The above crown is from a vintage Seamaster 300
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    MODERN

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    COUNTERFEIT I think. Cast to look like vintage.
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    ::popcorn::
     
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  8. dantheman3u4i Jan 21, 2019

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    I wouldn’t pretend to have the expertise to speak on this. But I’m sure it got a few people here checking their Speedmaster crowns...
     
  9. OMEGuy Jan 21, 2019

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    @airansun Very interesting observations. :thumbsup:

    I am sure I've also seen another type of aftermarket crowns for sale on ebay recently, but can't find a direct link to one of the auctions.

    This is what I found right now:

    https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/nos-omega-style-steel-crown-463414971


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  10. michael e Still learning. Feb 2, 2019

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    I have had original omega ( in omega blister packets) flat foot crowns with no crimping marks ages ago, it is not always a sign of a replica crown. These flat foot crowns just used a more modern manufacture process. The old crowns had an outer shell which was crimped on.

    Cheers, Michael
     
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  11. OMEGuy Feb 2, 2019

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    Do you have any pictures of those crowns without crimping marks you think to be genuine?
     
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  15. michael e Still learning. Feb 2, 2019

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    The second one from the bottom does indeed look counterfeit.
     
  16. OMEGuy Feb 2, 2019

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    Can you give an estimate on the production year?
     
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  17. michael e Still learning. Feb 2, 2019

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    Before 2013 is all I know.
    Stem size was 1.2mm so not for the speedmaster but I made them fit.
     
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  18. airansun In the shuffling madness Feb 2, 2019

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    This one is a modern service replacement, IMO. It may have been made by/for Omega, but it’s not going to be original to any vintage 321.
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    My point was that I wouldn’t pay vintage A1 crown prices for a modern reproduction of it, whether made for Omega or not. And this modern crown would always bother me on one of my watches; I’d rather have a period service replacement. Some of the people selling these Omega reproductions are getting vintage prices because some buyers can’t tell the difference.

    (Oh, and I think I can visually distinguish the tops of the crowns, between the vintage and modern; the modern do not have the same sharp definition, around the symbol and at the edge of the top, as do the vintage.)

    This is like the modern vs. vintage 1171 Omega bracelets. We know how to distinguish between them for a reason.

    But that’s just me.
     
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  19. airansun In the shuffling madness Feb 2, 2019

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  20. OMEGuy Feb 2, 2019

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    I know about your offers. But your crowns looked different then... They were OFrei parts, made to match.