thoughts? value?

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Hi

I like a chocolate / Tropical dial Watch....but this looks like it has had a hard life....just look at the head of the screw by the serial on the movement ! I think that says it all....and it's overpriced IMHO....by about £2k.

Best - Neil

 

So ... would a good service get this all cleaned up or is this (rust / damage) irreversible?

 

what about this?

5500 EUR
145.012/67

 

That movement looks a mess! (the first one)

 

WoW - and really couldn't be the same watch, right? What a contrast between dial and movement!!!

By the way, bezel replacement?

 

Also about 2,000 overpriced.

 

5500 Euros for a '67!!!!!!! If that is a "Buy it Now" with no offer feature, this gent is just silly.

Those pics are pretty awful, so I am not willing to write off the movement yet. I am sure someone will come by and point out flaws I cannot see.

But the bezel is wrong and the hands look oddly pristine for a watch with that kind of UV exposure. I am not saying I don't like it, but those facts should give you some bargaining room. Of course, any seller with a "tropical" dial assumes that the patina alone justifies whatever ridiculous price they want to toss out.

 

Hi

I think both of these should carry a discount to market value due to condition.....not a premium.

Best - Neil

 

Exactly. There have been high prices paid recently for prime examples and when a typical eBAY seller puts his watch up for auction he looks at the max prices that ref sold for and expects that without accounting for condition.

 

these are two different watches. one on ebay and one on chrono24

here are some other options


$6400
105.003




another one

 

Jacek is one of the good guys, and is reasonable to deal with. But I think these examples fall in to the "no buy" zone.
Defects like Tropical dials takes years to achieve, and results are mixed at best.

 

Personally, I'd pay a premium for a tropical/chocolate dialed Speedy, over an otherwise similar condition non-tropical example. Keep in mind that personal taste varies significantly on what is patina vs damage. Personally, I want it to look just like the black dial, but evenly aged to brown, without spots or flaking paint, not mottled/highly varied coloration, etc. Pretty rare and worthy of a premium. MSN's example above is spot on!

Most of the dials I see fall into the "damaged" end of that range. I ran across a really nice tropical 145.012 being sold at a watch show not long ago, and the seller wouldn't take less than US$7.0. I passed, but not by much, and if I hadn't just bought another Speedy, I'd have probably pulled the trigger.

When you consider the crazy prices being paid for "tropical" dialed examples of Rolex, Speedmasters are a relative bargain!

 

STUNNING!

 

+1

 

what about this guy? sort of chocolate?

 

Sort of hard to see the dial through the reflection.