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Thoughts on Cal.351 Ref.2582-3c

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Hey all,

After picking up an old bumper a few years ago, I fell in love with vintage Omegas. Since i'm clumsy, and do a lot of physical work right now, I decided to pick up a "beater" that I don't have to worry about banging around or wearing in the rain.

So I picked this guy up on eBay listed as not working for pretty cheap (I suppose). When it arrived i was poking around inside of it to see what ref# and calibre it was when a tiny screw that was lodged around the balance wheel stuck to my screwdriver. After this it started working! It's since been working and keeping time (even overnight) albeit loosing a minute every day or so.

Anyways, I know the watch is a basket case. Its dial is dented, scratched, and probably a redial (judging by the 11, 1, and 2 o'clock markers?). Also, the crystal is loose as it spins and rotates freely.

What I need help with, is figuring out whats up with the gap between the dial and the inner rim of the case. Was the movement installed into the case incorrectly? Is it missing a part(s)? It's obviously not in there right judging by the wear on the back of the weight (which seems to be restricted from freely rotating, although I'm sure lack of maintenance is also a factor here). I know this is probably the least of the watch's problems but oddly it bugs me the most. It will slightly move if I pull the stem out and move it up or down.
 
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Wow, these pictures look alot worse than they did on my phone, my apologies. I will post better photos if anyone is interested.
 
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Also, any opinions on rather or not its worth dropping like $200 or whatever on a full service are welcome. That would probably put me at a $300 total investment, I'm fine with that as I'm not a flipper/reseller but at that range I could probably just grab another watch. I am fond of the case on this one though.

My decision to get the movement serviced is pretty much dependent on rather or not its possible the loose movement/dial issue can be fixed with a proper service and parts. I'd also like to replace the second hand, not sure if its original (doubt it) but regardless I'm not sure I like it.
 
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That's pretty nice for a beater. For a beater, I'd go with a $20 Casio.
 
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The photos of the movement are hard for me to see, but here is another thread that shows the same reference, and I think there is a clip holding the movement in place. Does your watch have that clip?
https://omegaforums.net/threads/help-me-verify-this-omega-bumper-watch.68433/

To be brutally honest, at first glance this watch is a dog in almost every way. The decision to restore it would be an entirely emotional one on your part, which is the best reason, frankly, but not one we can really help you with. From a financial or collector's perspective, this is a parts watch.
 
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It could be that it's not installed correctly, but given the overall condition it wouldn't shock me to find that the movement doesn't even belong with the case. What is the case reference? You should check that the movement is correct for the reference.

To be brutally honest, at first glance this watch is a dog in almost every way. The decision to restore it would be an entirely emotional one on your part, which is the best reason, frankly, but not one we can really help you with. From a financial or collector's perspective, this is a parts watch.
Thats what I was thinking at first because it honestly looks like it wasn't made to fit or something but after doing some research it appears to be the correct movement for the case. The reference is 2582-3C.

This is also a good time to ask, whats the deal with vintage reference numbers?I'm sure this has been asked a million times here, but I didn't have any luck finding good info. I know newer numbers represent a code but everytime I try to find some info on the meaning of vintage reference numbers I just see results/answers for newer watches. For example, what does the "3C" represent? Also, this reference is not listed on Omega's website, but it is a signed omega case.
 
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Thats what I was thinking at first because it honestly looks like it wasn't made to fit or something but after doing some research it appears to be the correct movement for the case. The reference is 2582-3C.

This is also a good time to ask, whats the deal with vintage reference numbers?I'm sure this has been asked a million times here, but I didn't have any luck finding good info. I know newer numbers represent a code but everytime I try to find some info on the meaning of vintage reference numbers I just see results/answers for newer watches. For example, what does the "3C" represent? Also, this reference is not listed on Omega's website, but it is a signed omega case.

Sorry, I edited my post because I realized you had included the reference number in the thread title, and the movement is correct. In my edited post I gave a link to a thread that shows a good photo of how the movement should be mounted. Here are photos from that thread. You can see there is a mounting clip. You should check you movement for it.

The OVD is notoriously incomplete. However, most watch brands don't even have an incomplete database, so we shouldn't complain. The number after the hyphen generally refers to the production series. I don't know what the "C" signifies in this case. Sometimes there will be codes like "SC" for center seconds.

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Here's a better picture. Hopefully you can see the gap starting around the 11 marker.
 
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See my post above. Regarding the gap near the dial, I think you could be missing a rehaut/retention ring.
 
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Sorry, I edited my post because I realized you had included the reference number in the thread title, and the movement is correct. In my edited post I gave a link to a thread that shows a good photo of how the movement should be mounted. Here are photos from that thread. You can see there is a mounting clip. You should check you movement for it.

The OVD is notoriously incomplete. However, most watch brands don't even have an incomplete database, so we shouldn't complain.

Is this the clip in question? My movement has the screw and a tab but is most definitely missing this clip circled
 
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That's what I was looking at - that clip and whatever is attached to it. I know nothing about this particular reference, but I did notice that clip. Maybe you can do a google image search and see if that clip is commonly present.
 
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See my post above. Regarding the gap near the dial, I think you could be missing a rehaut/retention ring.

Thanks for your help, believe me I tried looking online before posting but didn't see that clip, or at least didn't notice it, on some of the other references. Hopefully it's not crazy hard to find but at least I know what I'm looking for now. You really steered by in the right direction, I wouldn't have even known what to call the clip. Thanks for your help!
 
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Sometimes these clips are fairly standard, or at least a watchmaker might have an assortment of clips, one of which could be used or slightly modified for use.
 
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Sometimes these clips are fairly standard, or at least a watchmaker might have an assortment of clips, one of which could be used or slightly modified for use.
Excellent! In that case i'll see to getting it fixed. Thanks again for your time and help. I know it's a basket case, but monetary reasons aside, I'd rather work around in something already damaged, then risk ruining a cleaner 70 year old watch that could've made an otherwise nice addition to someones collection.
 
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I have more than 30 bumpers in my collection but only one has that clip

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And I don't think your watch has that, either.
On the side of the movement, there is a small pin and that pin must go under the plate when you put the movement into the case.
To re install it correctly, you have to take the stem and the case clamp out, "slide" the movement in correctly then comes the stem and clamp.
Hopefully, it will stop the movement from moving and rotor touching.

Good luck.
 
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hoipolloi,
Thanks for your input, I think you're right. I see conflicting info, even for the same reference number. Some pictures it looks like the clip may be present, and others it's hard to tell. In my first post I mentioned a tiny screw was lodged around the balance wheel, which means somethings either missing a screw or one fell in there at some point in it's life. Either way Its a sign of a careless repair so who knows what the watch could be missing...
Since it's kind of difficult for me to make it to my watchmaker without taking off of work or missing a class, I wanted to try and do some research and possibly acquire any parts needed before taking it to him.
Because I haven't had much luck finding the part Dan S mentioned, I think i'll take it to my watchmaker and see if he thinks it needs the part, and if it does, tell him to try and just rig some type of generic piece to work. Originality is not a concern for me, as i'll probably have him put a better generic second hand on it too.

 
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