Here is the data: 168.005 Cal. 564 Serial # beginning in 34, range Onyx insert markers Do these work together? Very new to this, so just trying to get a few opinions. Thanks
Serial puts it around 1972 which seems very late for both a 168.005 and a cal 564, which are more early to mid 1960´s. The 168.005 is an often faked case so I think you should proceed with extreme caution until you have vet some pictures here.
From an earlier thread I believe that the onyx inset markers stopped in the 24m range And Cristos is right - I think the 564 went up to about 68/69 Likely to be 700 series after that Pics would be good to check out the watch
But the 34xx and the 564 don't match up Could be a typo and be 24xx in which case it all fits together
Thanks everyone .. So the big question, let's say case is good, dial is good, movement on its own is good - what does a lifted/replaced movement do to the value? From my time looking around, it feels hard to find all of these things even individually, let alone together in one piece.
ah! just checked Demond's site the 564 was in a C case up to 71 -my mistake so it could be a C-case movt
Thanks for everyones' input, both public and private. Based on the feedback I am going to wait here and see if anyone of you have a weak moment to offer one of your excellent specimens for sale!
This is about the highest serial number I've ever seen on a cal. 564: After this, I think the cal. 1001 or 1011 movements were used for date-only movements. The cal. 751 day-date continued for another few years in the Constellation and Seamaster Chronometers. I have seen serial numbers up to the 34M range on the 751's. Hope this helps, gatorcpa
At its worse you could have a franken movement as well as a franken watch. Would be nice to see pictures.
I didn't know that the watch was for sale here. I found the listing and the movement looks correct to me, but I've never seen a serial anywhere near this high on a cal. 564. However, the rotor assembly on the 56X/75X models changed around 1970. This watch has the newer assembly and rotor which leads me to believe that it is a very late model cal. 564. Maybe one of the last ones. I know that the Ref. 168.005 was in the Omega catalog through 1970 at least. I have seen several 1972 catalogs and it is not in those. It is possible that it was a special order only item after 1970. It could also be that the movement was a factory replacement made in 1972 to replace an earlier cal. 564 movement that was defective. One last clue, mesh watchbands like that were popular in Japan in the early 1970's. They were produced locally under license for several high-end brands. I have a very similar one on an IWC. At that time there were a lot of watch models not available in general catalogs that were only sold in Japan. You would need to get an extract from the Omega archives to confirm any of the above. Another Omega mystery, gatorcpa
so from a possible 'dodgy' watch -it could become a quite 'unusual' but correct watch (I didn't want to use the word rare) -and quite desirable if it is a very late 564 pie-pan Did the later Japanese pie-pans come with the knurled crown? -because this could be another clue to the origins of this watch needs to have the rubbing rotor sorted if it hasn't already been done I guess the only way of telling is an extract
I simply stated some facts that I know from years of observations. I want to emphasize that it all could mean everything or nothing. Further research regarding this watch is required. What I can tell you is that at price being asked, it had better be perfect and not have all these questions. Hope this helps, gatorcpa