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  1. new_heuer Jun 8, 2017

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    I'm looking at this Constellation but can't work out if it's genuine or a refinish. The dial to my untrained eye looks good but has no lume and is marked "T Swiss made T". The hands are lume filled so is the dial correct? Thanks for the help
     
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  2. Gstp Jun 8, 2017

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    Its invisible too !
     
  3. new_heuer Jun 8, 2017

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    Oops
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  4. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Jun 8, 2017

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    Not a great pic, but looks like the dial has been redone to me. Letter heights are inconsistent, and "Constellation" text is pretty thick.

    Hard to judge the lume as well, as it would be dots at the outer ends of the markers. It looks like there may be lume on the hands (although color does not look old).

    I would definitely want better photos.
     
  5. new_heuer Jun 8, 2017

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    upload1496944040.422389.jpg upload1496944134.808078.jpg upload1496944209.383037.jpg
    The hands are defiantly lumed
     
  6. kreyke Jun 8, 2017

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    They look good to me!
     
  7. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Jun 8, 2017

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    the text looks a lot better in these pics.
     
  8. Gstp Jun 8, 2017

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    Rub down and polish crystal. Doesn't look like a redial imho
     
  9. new_heuer Jun 8, 2017

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    Already done!
    To my eyes it look good but the T's with no lume on the dial had me pause
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  10. Gstp Jun 8, 2017

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    Surely the experts will be along soon
     
  11. kreyke Jun 8, 2017

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    I think if the hands are lumed, they will add the T's.
     
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  12. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Jun 8, 2017

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    Need better pics of the outward-facing ends of the markers to see if there may be lume dots. The macros are great for assessing the text, but the marker ends are out-of-focus.
     
  13. new_heuer Jun 8, 2017

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    Here you go. The markers are defiantly not lumed at the ends. Thanks
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  14. new_heuer Jun 8, 2017

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  15. BlackTalon This Space for Rent Jun 8, 2017

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    Yep. And if there was lume in the hands it has been removed.
     
  16. new_heuer Jun 8, 2017

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    There is still some in there but not easy to photo. Shows under a UV light though
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  17. BenBagbag Jun 8, 2017

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    Hands look a bit short(?) Aren't these pie pan hands? Shouldn't it reach the minute track?
    The more I look the more I suspect these are short...
     
  18. Peemacgee Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers Jun 8, 2017

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    Fonts look good
    Black insert indices would never have lume originally
    Looks like someone changed the hands for shorter ones with lume and added the Ts to match
    BTW the case is quite heavily polished.
    What's the medallion like?
    Do you have movement/inner case back pics?

    If you've already bought it - Change the hands for the correct length with black inserts and pretend the Ts aren't there (or have them carefully removed)
     
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  19. Temprus Jun 8, 2017

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    Good dial, may be NOS. Wrong hands. The dial looks very good for this case. I think that original one was replaced.
     
  20. Peemacgee Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers Jun 8, 2017

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    What makes you draw that conclusion @Temprus ?
    Plenty of tiny patina dots on the dial on the dial in the macros.
    Lots of these dome dials have survived in better condition than that whilst some 'well-meaning' watchmaker has polished the hell out of a case.
     
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