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  1. pitpro

    pitpro Likes the game. May 7, 2013

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  2. ulackfocus

    ulackfocus May 7, 2013

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    It's definitely a US case - Jonnel.

    It does look nice, but you never know with that seller. f.q.watches has been known to cut corners on repairs (ie: supergluing a second hand on). I'd be very wary because it's "AS IS".
     
  3. Central Scrutinizer

    Central Scrutinizer hangs out in Joe's garage May 7, 2013

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    I have been scratching my head over these US cases for a while now. Is there any way to determine what the model number is on these case backs? Are any of these cases in the OVD or is there any other source of info for them?
    Thanks
     
  4. ulackfocus

    ulackfocus May 7, 2013

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    KX6584

    Some are, some aren't. The database is incomplete. I don't recall if you use the letters or just the numbers.
     
  5. cicindela

    cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member May 7, 2013

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    Like Dennis said , be very cautious with any watch Frank is selling. Dial looks like he cleaned it (the ink mottling in Seamaster) , not a bad thing in itself, but he does sell tropical watches. It does not get much more hot and steamy then Guayaquil. Hands look a little grotty. On the plus side gold holds up well regardless. If you got it, you would want to check out the movement immediately.
     
  6. MKelley

    MKelley May 7, 2013

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    Bottom of dial reads SWISS. Shouldn't it be T SWISS T? If the hands and dial are correct.
     
  7. cicindela

    cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member May 7, 2013

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    No, watch is too old ...does not have Tritium. This is a Radium watch.
     
  8. CanberraOmega

    CanberraOmega Rabbitohs and Whisky Supporter May 8, 2013

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    I.e if you want kids, don't buy it
     
  9. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member May 8, 2013

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    Probably applies more to pocketwatches than wristwatches.
     
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  10. MKelley

    MKelley May 8, 2013

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    Never too old to learn something either. Thanks for the lesson. How can you tell the difference between tritium & radium watches:unsure:
     
  11. pitpro

    pitpro Likes the game. May 8, 2013

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    Simple answer=Geiger counter, Really!(all the Rolex boys have them don't you know)
    1954- First International accords on Radium use.
    1963- Deadline for Not using Radium in dials
    Between these dates, lots of watches had different "mixes" of luminous.
    Radium will usually turn dark greenish first then blackish eventually
    Tritium usually tan then brown, or some mixtures have stayed their
    creamy geenish color even until now. ie 1967 Submariner 5512 (still glow)
    Beyond this it gets quite pedantic...
     
  12. adam78

    adam78 Adam @ ΩF Staff Member May 8, 2013

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    I don't have to scratch my head to decide if this is a radium dial!

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. ulackfocus

    ulackfocus May 8, 2013

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    Show off. :p
     
  14. pitpro

    pitpro Likes the game. May 8, 2013

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    Decayed Radium dial
    RSCN0333.JPG
     
  15. LouS

    LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member May 8, 2013

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    And we wouldn't want to introduce pedantry into watch collecting, would we? All those details and trivial differences...:rolleyes:
     
  16. MKelley

    MKelley May 8, 2013

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    This just reminds me what a newb I still am. So much to learn, just not enough time in the day. Seriously, thank you for clearing that up for me. As I stated before, never to old to learn.:D
     
  17. pitpro

    pitpro Likes the game. May 8, 2013

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    not unless you're wrong;)
     
  18. gatorcpa

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member May 8, 2013

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    There are a few in the OVD, but I doubt more than 10% of the available references are listed. Most of the time they have one or two letters, followed by four numbers. Some of the more popular US based case makers Omega used were S&W, D&A, Wadsworth, Star and Jonell (J with a spear).

    [​IMG]

    When I'm researching them, I try to find matching reference numbers using Google searches. Almost always brings me back to eBay.

    Many Swiss watches exported to the US in the 1950's had just "Swiss" at the bottom of the dial. Could have been because while the movements were Swiss, some parts like the dials, hands and cases may have been made here instead. Not sure on this, but it's a theory and makes some sense..

    I'm also a Hamilton collector and know decayed radium dials, and that sir, is not a decayed radium dial.

    This is:

    [​IMG]

    Take care,
    gatorcpa
     
  19. pitpro

    pitpro Likes the game. May 8, 2013

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    Sorry sir it's not a Hamilton dial
    And it most certainly is decayed radium and totaly original
    And kinda rare;)
     
  20. gatorcpa

    gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member May 8, 2013

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    True that! :)

    Just not very decayed. In fact, it's in nice original condition.
    gatorcpa