Think I have watch “burnout”

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If you like vintage Citizen, here's some eye candy for you from the 1970s:

It used to belong to my Dad and he gifted it to me a couple of years ago. It needs fixing if I want to wear it, as the winding mechanism is broken.

Mitka is very knowledgable about vintage Citizens.
https://mitka.co.uk
 
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I can understand the feeling, I have something similar where I want to focus my collection on the Speedmaster and Seiko because its a bit all over the place right now. I have six modern watches I keep saying I will list on the private sales forum here but never seem to have time to do it.
 
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I'm pretty much done, too. I picked up the grail watches recently, a 6S Elgin wrist conversion and a Benrus Type I when a limited edition repro NOS at a considerable discount appeared on eBay, and the latest one is a166.010 in gold cap.

I am on the list for a Rolex Explorer at my local dealer, and then I that will likely be it, unless I decide to get a Constellation after all.
 
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Is this the SM600 with box, original strap and papers?

I left a bud and coincidentally logged on to see if go under the hammer. Suffice to say I didn’t win it by a long shot as when fees are added to the hammer price, even for a nice little set, the price is a way away from what I expected.

Re the OP, I get it as well. I started with vintage watches interested only in 60’s Speedmasters. The surge in prices turned me off so after a bit of a lull I turned to 60’s Seamasters, both dress and tool as they offer similar enjoyment at a lower entry point.

Personally I enjoy the hunt so saving to buy a 20k Speedmaster every 2-3 years wouldn’t cut it for me. I like to receive those knocks on the door for a parcel with a filthy barn find watch enclosed. Reminds me of Xmas as a kid.
That was the one. It was down on my list of one to buy "at any price", thinking that could be £400. Service, new leather, tidy it up and knock on ... but £600 brings it much closer to retail. There was a new face in the room buying a lot of jewellery, silver and watches ... and just paying retail. Crazy day.

Anyway, for those who like pictures, here's a really bad one of my current rotation box:

 
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I have everything I need and stopped buying last year

Which means in the last month i bought the following:

Gallet with Excelsior Park 40 (out for service):



1965 Glycine Airman from the estate of a USAF Pilot who flew in Vietnam (out for service):



Package deal. I wanted a nice early Seamaster (just one) and saw this Captain, which I wasn't aware of (haven't arrived yet but will go out )


Bought this yesterday. 1963 Accutron Astronaut. It was a gift from his mom to his dad, who passed away in 1969. Needless to say, hasn't arrived yet and will need service. Here's what he said about his dad's watch:

"Hi Dave, thanks for that. My Dad was very much into all things space and space related. At the time he wore this watch he worked for Western Union in their new telegraph and telecommunication department in New York City. He was privileged enough to meet several astronauts there over the years including Scott Carpenter, Wally Schirra and John Glenn. When he met John Glenn he was wearing his Breitling Cosmonaute that he ended up wearing into space. He was interested and commented on my Dad's watch. My Mom is 91 and has been a widow for 53 years since his passing. I wish you the best with this watch and glad that it's going to someone that appreciates it's history."


Getting tired of the hoopla is real. But these little treasures are still enjoyable.

Dibs on your Captain.😀
 
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Just to say, without having much to contribute, just how interesting I’m finding this thread.

I’m not sure if I get full-on burn out or just the odd twinge of buyer’s remorse.

Apart from a couple of C case Connies and some 50s/60s Seamasters, most of the 40/50 watches in my collection have been bought for under £500 - on the joint premise that I don’t like wearing a watch I can’t afford to lose and because I have skinny wrists, chronometers and dive watches are too big, thick and heavy for me.

That said, apart from particular styles I’m currently anxious to acquire (C case Longines Admiral) I tend to limit my impulse purchases to under £100. I’m probably addicted, just like @sheepdoll, but I’m trying to manage my addiction.

And, to get back on thread, there are times when I pull myself back
 
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Must say I’m spoilt for vintage to enjoy for years to come….

Rose gold Zenith sort of capped a vintage spree that lasted many years

Many a mint watch like this 8888 along the way
Damn! Can't wait to see what the one or two surprises will be 😎😜
 
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I must say I do find pleasure finding the low value items like this little Certina bought for 29€, shipping included. It is now serviced and I really enjoyed it as much as some of my more expensive ones.

 
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I don't need another watch...and there are a couple that really need a new home where someone will give them more wrist time. But then I always end up with seller's remorse. Still, I have six that give me great satisfaction to rotate onto my wrist. However, I'm at an age where I am thinking about where will they go when I'm gone. No one in my family is a watch person and most of all I want them to be appreciated by whoever owns them next. I guess that is what has kept me thinning the herd...then start buying again...then thinning the herd (again)...and then start buying again. My three absolute keepers are all variations on the same theme...all 18k on straps...two Rolex 1013s and my Omega Constellation (Deluxe). Like playing with matches...there is always lighting it...and then blowing it out.
 
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I'm still pretty new to this hobby as I convert myself to real watch and vintage at the same time only in Dec 2018, buying a nice Constellation 14900 that is still one of my favorite watch.

Since then I got kind of crazy - If I consider your ratio of one purchase every 6 to 8 weeks - especially since I joined OF (the first & only forum I actively follow) as I find the place inspiring and I enjoy the confidence and the pleasure to exchange and trust dealing with respected people of this community. I'm pretty sure that without OF, my addiction would not have been what it is.

But to your point, new watch pricing always put me off so never got bitten in looking for new watches. My only 2 'new' watches are a 2nd hand FOIS and a Seiko SKX013 which I wear when I don't want to worry about my watch. I really think that will be it for new watches. Don't need and don't want other ones.

Regarding Vintage, even with my short history, I can see that prices keeps going up, that the hype is there more and more. I've already quit IG as I found myself spending too much time on that. I fully understand that, for more senior and experienced collector that when you've seen the whole hobby becoming a hype and the price rising to the level where it's good for selling but not for buying, you can lose interest... except if you find new pit to fall into...

Anyway, I've narrowed down my vintage wishlist but I still have a lot to discover and as some mentioned I'm educating myself through collecting and as such I keep discovering path I'd like to explore.

But when I read you, and that's not the first thread on this topic, I hope it does not mean you want to quit OF as that would be a great loss in my opinion. And when I get out I don't see so many people with vintage watch anyway so there is still room for conversion 😀

So please, don't quit 😉

PS : oh and as I want to add picture, let me put the one I got this morning
 
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Yeah, I have to say I'm on that boat too. The last watches purchased have been by my wife, for herself. 😀 Great watches. On my end, I have a lot of good stuff that I enjoy but I am actually thinking about whether to sell a bunch and keep it simple.

I almost got a Calatrava recently but actually passed on it.

In my mind, I think I just think I am going through deep deep burnout at all levels. I never stopped working during the pandemic and only had one vacation in the last 3 years. We managed to go to Arizona for a quick trip recently but it was a family affair so not really rest.

On the other hand, I am getting back to photography as an escape.

S
 
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I have plenty of watches to wear. Too many really…..

My interest in Modern has dwindled to Meh…watching a Speedmaster 321 that looks like a 1861 selling for $20k. Seeing Seiko churn out 10-15 watches that look the same priced from $600 - $6000.
Also little offered by anyone that’s not several thousand more than I expect.
Just the price of a Omega strap is irking me from anything modern.

Vintage still has some interest but the hustle and bustle of sifting through overpriced average. Shady dealers and flippers. Beating hundreds to the punch.

I’m still here enjoying the fun and friendships made over the years.

But think the mojo is missing lately.


My last purchase a few weeks ago made me smile more for the giggle at the Rolex conundrum. (So all is not lost 😉)




Anyone else been through the watch game rut lately


I go through seasons, it tends to take an interesting article or something to spark my excitement like going for a dive (with my diver) or a good drive with my Chrono. Give a watch a purpose and it tends to bring me more joy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts
 
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I think there's two variables at play here, one is anyone's personal ebb and flow with any particular hobby, and the second is the wider state of that hobby.

Relative to burn out, which I resonate with, I actually think it's #2 more than #1, at least for myself.

Some of the main factors driving this IMO are, relative to vintage, as others have already stated here on the forum, vintage passion is driven by discovery. The well has mostly dried up, and there's just not a lot of discovery these days. The UG subforum is a good example, it used to be very busy, and it's pretty dead these days. Not because of any decrease in people's passion for UG, if anything I think it's grown, but because there's just hardly any more discovery these days. Almost everything is tied up in collections, what little comes to market is often mediocre or extremely expensive or both. It's not super exciting to discuss what little UG inventory might be on the market from dealers at any given time.

The second issue is the commodification and investment banking mentality that has come into watches in recent years, with the likes of Hodinkee and everyone else. Without getting into an argument about if that's good or bad or whatever, I think everyone can agree it's changed things.

My collection has been almost completely static for the past 3 years or so, I just can't find much to buy or to talk about in the areas that I've focused (which has been mostly UG).

I still love the small collection that I have, but I pretty much just wear my Hulk 24/7 because it's very practical, except for the occasional dress up.

I hope things get more interesting again at some point.
 
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I must admit I'm slowing down a bit. I spend less time on searching for watches so I dont find the gems in the wild or I'm too late to the party. The price increase is also a thing. And the renovation of my house was also a bit maniac (financially). But I still enjoy the forum. Although I dont participate as much in the past. But this morning I enjoyed the thread of Dan and his hiking with the dogs. So yes, I'm buying less. But OF still rocks.
 
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I think there's two variables at play here, one is anyone's personal ebb and flow with any particular hobby, and the second is the wider state of that hobby.

Relative to burn out, which I resonate with, I actually think it's #2 more than #1, at least for myself.

Some of the main factors driving this IMO are, relative to vintage, as others have already stated here on the forum, vintage passion is driven by discovery. The well has mostly dried up, and there's just not a lot of discovery these days. The UG subforum is a good example, it used to be very busy, and it's pretty dead these days. Not because of any decrease in people's passion for UG, if anything I think it's grown, but because there's just hardly any more discovery these days. Almost everything is tied up in collections, what little comes to market is often mediocre or extremely expensive or both. It's not super exciting to discuss what little UG inventory might be on the market from dealers at any given time.

The second issue is the commodification and investment banking mentality that has come into watches in recent years, with the likes of Hodinkee and everyone else. Without getting into an argument about if that's good or bad or whatever, I think everyone can agree it's changed things.

My collection has been almost completely static for the past 3 years or so, I just can't find much to buy or to talk about in the areas that I've focused (which has been mostly UG).

I still love the small collection that I have, but I pretty much just wear my Hulk 24/7 because it's very practical, except for the occasional dress up.

I hope things get more interesting again at some point.
Amen.
 
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... tend to limit my impulse purchases to under £100. I’m probably addicted, just like @sheepdoll, but I’m trying to manage my addiction...

I understand burnout all too well, having taken an 18 year break. I think last weeks binge was sort of a reaction to that. While my collection is comprehensive, it is far from complete. There is always room for one more.

I have been quite taken with the Geneve dynamic. I have a dial (with imperfections.) So I mostly have been following the junk versions on eBay. I have been lowballing the sellers. Got feedback from a seller that the price was high (it did not sell) as they needed to cover fees.

eBay fees are what keeps me from downsizing some of the stuff I do not want. I also notice that this stuff Waltham, Bulova, Elgin is not really selling. I also notice that there are times when watches tend to sell, and when they do not.

A lot of the stuff I am finding interesting is not in the US, which helps temper things, although I do tend to refresh on a few of them. I should be upgrading tools and not looking at junk watches, just because they make me feel good looking at the listing.

It take a lot of patience and the willingness to accept delay to play this game. Currently more my orders from last week are out for delivery. So much anticipation there. Yet here is also the movement I got yesterday, still ticking it's little heart out. How quickly the newness wears off. Not much I can do with it. So yeah one can have a sub burnout even in the mist of euphoria. I suspect today's watches will be much the same. A moment of discovery, then into the box with the others of it's kind.

There are things I should be doing, things I want to do and things that I fiddle around with. Command-R is too seductive in a way. Espeically when one hopes a case or other part needed will suddenly show up with a desirable price and location.

The 650 saffette watch is close to hopefully going back into it's case. In some ways it is strange to see an empty bench. Sort of a feeling of loss in a way. While this is my 4th favorite watch. It is not one I wear much. Such will go back into the strong box, where I keep my Omega watches.

-j
 
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Just to say, without having much to contribute, just how interesting I’m finding this thread.
I second that.

It's a bit disheartening I've only recently become enamored with vintage watches just as prices seem to be on the rise (gladly, I don't care much for modern watches). But I really enjoy playing detective and learning about old watches. I also like trying to learn how to do basic work on the ones I have, which hopefully leaves the door open for me down the line (once I know what I'm doing) to purchase and rehab some still affordable nice watches. Plus I get a kick out of some of the really cheap stuff, so thankfully still plenty to explore in that realm for now.
 
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I second that.

It's a bit disheartening I've only recently become enamored with vintage watches just as prices seem to be on the rise (gladly, I don't care much for modern watches). But I really enjoy playing detective and learning about old watches. I also like trying to learn how to do basic work on the ones I have, which hopefully leaves the door open for me down the line (once I know what I'm doing) to purchase and rehab some still affordable nice watches. Plus I get a kick out of some of the really cheap stuff, so thankfully still plenty to explore in that realm for now.

I think now is a good time to be buying. Before the inflation kicks in. Which is a lot of what may be happening.

There may also be factors involving the near monopoly eBay has. There are other regoinal or special interest auction sites. I have yet to try etsty as that seems more fixed priced. Chrono24 looks to be more for the high end. eBay's success is also it's weak point. One does get a bit burned out with all the stuff from certain counties clogging up the master searches. On the other hand are those listings that much different than the listings from Tennessee?

Sellers in the UK, south or central America would not meet my price, citing eBay fees that are too high. On the other hand a seller in Moldavia did. I think I avoided eBay for so many years as I would state that it took the fun out of watch collecting. I used to enjoy the horse trading at the NAWCC marts. that sense of discovery. I suspect I have now cleaned out any real need for more watches. I should be upgrading tools to work on the ones I have yet It is that elusive one that for some strange reason just makes on feel good. Even when everything about it is simply wrong.

I have only been on OF a month or so. Yet I am starting to notice the posters who come in and demand to be told about their watch. But no watch is going to be perfect. There is always going to be some scratch or ding that others point out. I have an 861. but is a 321 better. My late dog was named snoopy so should I have one of those? It almost makes one afraid to look and see what is wrong rather than what is right.

I know I go through phases, Six months ago it was Photo CD scanners, then it was APS cameras, then Cannon cameras, now it is back to Omega watches and chronographs. A year ago it was pipe organ combination relays. I suspect I will drift away from my watches again in the near future. I realized back in the Usenet days I was addicted to information overload. I quit Usnet cold turkey, then replaced it with email lists, then forums. On the other hand social media sites simply feel like shouting to the wind...

-j
 
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I think now is a good time to be buying. Before the inflation kicks in. Which is a lot of what may be happening.

There may also be factors involving the near monopoly eBay has. There are other regoinal or special interest auction sites. I have yet to try etsty as that seems more fixed priced. Chrono24 looks to be more for the high end. eBay's success is also it's weak point. One does get a bit burned out with all the stuff from certain counties clogging up the master searches. On the other hand are those listings that much different than the listings from Tennessee?

Sellers in the UK, south or central America would not meet my price, citing eBay fees that are too high. On the other hand a seller in Moldavia did. I think I avoided eBay for so many years as I would state that it took the fun out of watch collecting. I used to enjoy the horse trading at the NAWCC marts. that sense of discovery. I suspect I have now cleaned out any real need for more watches. I should be upgrading tools to work on the ones I have yet It is that elusive one that for some strange reason just makes on feel good. Even when everything about it is simply wrong.

I have only been on OF a month or so. Yet I am starting to notice the posters who come in and demand to be told about their watch. But no watch is going to be perfect. There is always going to be some scratch or ding that others point out. I have an 861. but is a 321 better. My late dog was named snoopy so should I have one of those? It almost makes one afraid to look and see what is wrong rather than what is right.

I know I go through phases, Six months ago it was Photo CD scanners, then it was APS cameras, then Cannon cameras, now it is back to Omega watches and chronographs. A year ago it was pipe organ combination relays. I suspect I will drift away from my watches again in the near future. I realized back in the Usenet days I was addicted to information overload. I quit Usnet cold turkey, then replaced it with email lists, then forums. On the other hand social media sites simply feel like shouting to the wind...

-j

I agree with much of what you say - particularly the bit about buyers of 60 year old watches (for example) wanting to buy a new looking 'ding' free watch on eBay. Of course it happens, but not within the budget of most of the posting buyers.

As a diversion from the potential ennui of your current phase, I’d suggest (although you may have already been there ahead of me) a marginal change in tack to concentrate on Longines, Eterna and, subject to the vagaries of spare parts, generally available at a more accessible price than the equivalent Omegas, Rolexes etc.
 
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The only watch I've bought in the past 5 years has been a $20.00 Casio, which I love. My interests go from watches, to firearms, to motorcycles, to old cars, to fountain pens, etc. Usually one hobby goes full throttle at any one time and the others are on the back burner. Recently I've started going through the gun safe and checking the occupants, I've also started fishing again. Lodge starts up again in September, that will keep me very busy.