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  1. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Apr 22, 2019

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    Can help with things that look impossible.

    I recently received a brass caseback from a desk clock that one of our members thought I may be able to repair.
    The upper and lower hinge pins of the door had been sheared at some stage, and an attempt to drill the steel pins out of the brass plate had not been all that successful.
    So I had to get the remaining steel pins out of the brass without doing any more damage.
    The pins were only 1.4mmØ, and although I had drill bits of the correct size I was unwilling to repeat the previous restorer's attempt. Any deviation of the drill bit would only cause further damage

    Then a light bulb moment.

    I remembered a couple of earlier posts by one of our watchmaker mentors where steel screws could be dissolved out of brass watch plates etc using a saturated solution of alum. So off I went.

    I mixed up some block alum (after pounding it to a powder) and did a test dip for about 15 minutes.

    A quick look showed that the bright steel had already gone black and the surface had started pitting.

    Upper pin:

    DoorPinUpper.JPG

    Lower pin:

    DoorPinLower.JPG

    So back into my home made alum bath (one of Annie's porcelain ramekins :whistling:) over a heat lamp to keep the solution warm. In the shot below you can see where the steel has disintegrated and is falling out.

    Alum_12Hours.JPG

    So a good 48 hours with some cleaning of the holes every couple of hours and the result is nice clean holes ready for further repair.

    Hole1Clear.JPG

    Hole2Clear.JPG

    Sorry I couldn't light up the holes any more than that, but they're only 1.4mmØ remember ;).

    Thanks to @Archer for the original posts and for a couple of tips during the process.
     
  2. kpaxsg Apr 23, 2019

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    Awesome!!
     
  3. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Apr 23, 2019

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    Glad it worked - it does take some time certainly, but I'm not in a rush with these things. I always have other watches in the shop I can be working on while a pesky part is being dissolved away.
     
  4. Canuck Apr 23, 2019

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    I have used this method often. I use goldsmith’s pickle solution which does the job just as well. Most recently on a French crystal regulator. The owner found that the coiled iron gong was rasping on the glass case back. The coiled gong was sweated into a heavy brass block. He tried to bend the iron gong to clear the glass, and it broke off inside the brass block. It took about ten days for the iron stump to corrode away. After that, it was an easy fix.
     
  5. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Apr 23, 2019

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    Darn. I measured my drill bits ready to drill deeper holes and don't have any 1.4s so I had to order some more today so the project goes on for another day or two. Had to order the pivot wire anyway so no real time lost.

    @Canuck, I'm interested in your "goldsmith's pickling solution". Any recipes?
     
  6. UncleBuck understands the decision making hierarchy Apr 23, 2019

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    First, you take Annie's ramekin and now, her pickles are in jeopardy!
     
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  7. Canuck Apr 23, 2019

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  8. Canuck Apr 23, 2019

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    This is bought (usually) in crystal form from sources that supply goldsmiths. It is dissolved in water. Goldsmiths use the solution to clean precious metal items after soldering. I use it to pickle gold items that have tarnished in areas that are difficult to get at with jeweller’s rouge and bristle brushes. Doubles for dissolving broken steel screws, pins, and whatever. It doesn’t harm non-ferrous metals, but leaves them nice and shiny.
     
  9. Waxtactic Apr 23, 2019

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    So that was just about the coolest thing I've seen this week.
     
  10. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Apr 23, 2019

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    If you haven't seen it actually happen, here's a video that shows the alum doing it's job...

     
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  11. gostang9 Apr 23, 2019

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    What, no cool soundtrack to go with that? ::confused2::