The Commercial - and now general space travel - Thread (No Politics Allowed)

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I don't know but I MAY actually try to go check it out.
I'm on the west coast of Florida, but will actually be in the middle of the state Feb 6th-8th.
So if they can stick to the window, I might just make the extra 1.5 hour drive over there...
And even if it gets scrubbed last second or something - I probably won't consider that to be a waste of time lol.
 
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And even if it gets scrubbed last second or something - I probably won't consider that to be a waste of time lol.
Absolutely. Part of the appeal is the anticipation and excitement.

It's like getting a second chance to view the Apollo 8 launch. Yes, people have walked on the moon before. But this is the first time this rocket configuration has gone to the moon and back. They are pioneers.

Pictures if you go.:🍿:
 
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Apollo was before my time. So for me, it IS like the first time hah.
 
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Delayed until March. You'll get another chance.



Crew 12 gets to launch on their first target date of Feb 11th. A possible 8 month mission with 2 or even 3 EVAs.
"Wet dress rehersal" what are they doing down there in Florida???
 
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Delayed until March. You'll get another chance.
Hah yeah maybe! I definitely wasn't going to be able to hang out this weekend and watch it.
So perhaps next time...
 
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I went to the Crew 12 Falcon launch. It was an amazing experience. Viewing from the Gantry at KSC, about 3.4 miles from pad 40. The Falcon booster returned to the launch pad, giving us a two-fer. Mind boggling. So fun!



 
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Ah nice! Should have told me hah.
You sounded like you were traveling.

I'm jealous of people who live in the area. Rockets flying all the time.

The first night in Titusville I went to a small Irish pub. I asked the locals if they still watch rockets or if they even notice them. The responses were encouraging. While the novelty of launches was gone, most people said they'd step outside when the windows started shaking or similar. One old guy knew the status of each upcoming launch, including a recently announced delay. That cheered me.

Many people at the launch came from out of town, both first timers and repeats. There was a collective sense of awe. It was fun to be with a group of like-minded people. I think even people with zero interest in space would be impressed.
 
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...yeah, space is hard.
My recent experience with the Crew 12 launch showed me how complicated just scheduling a launch can become. There were so many conflicts that I wrote it down to help me remember the details later. Here's my summary, FWIW.

At 44 years old, Andrey Fedyav was already a veteran of space, having flown 168 days on the ISS. His Crew 13 mission scheduled for next year would add another eight months to his time in space. Before then, the father of four boys had recently celebrated the addition of a new baby girl and was in the process of building a new house for his large, happy family. A busy man, he was about to become busier.

On December 02, 2025, the Russian Space agency Roscosmos announced that they had pulled the cosmonaut from Crew 12, which was scheduled to launch (no sooner than) February 15, 2026.

The ISS is more than just a symbol of international cooperation. Made up of connected sections built by different countries, the space station requires trained workers from the countries who built those sections to keep them aloft. With a loss of their cosmonaut, Crew 12 needed another Russian cosmonaut to replace him. Cosmonaut Andrey Fedyaev would have to move from Crew 13 to Crew 12. Andrey’s house and new-born daughter would need to manage without him almost a year sooner than planned. Andrey had about two months to train for a new mission, but even that quickly approaching launch date would be moved up.

While Crew 12 was training 16 hours a day on Earth, Crew 11 was preparing for a spacewalk orbiting the Earth on the ISS .

Approximately 290 people had flown on the ISS over 25 years without an emergency requiring evacuation. There had been fires and dangerous air losses, but these had been managed. For the first time in 25 years, a spacewalk scheduled for January 08 had to be postponed due to a medical event.

While the unnamed person was soon stable, NASA decided to bring the whole Crew 11 home early, beginning January 14th. This would leave the ISS with only three people aboard, (two cosmonauts and one astronaut,) for one month until Crew 12 arrived.

On January 28th, NASA announced that Crew 12 would attempt to launch four days earlier than originally scheduled, with a launch window of February 11th, 12th and 13th.

To complicate matters, the Artemis mission to the moon was ongoing and required a great deal of NASA’s attention. In early January, NASA had identified three launch windows between February 6 and April 6, for the Artemis II mission to the moon. If everything proceeded as planned, there would not be a launch conflict between Artemis II and Crew 12.

Artemis II was the first crewed mission of the SLS rocket to the moon, so NASA would take every precaution, including conducting a so-called wet rehearsal. The rocket would be loaded with cryogenic propellants while the countdown was run from the final ten minutes down to 30 seconds before launch. The countdown would be stopped and reset several times to demonstrate that the rocket could maintain a hold, resume and recycle process if needed.

NASA plans for many contingencies, but one of the most difficult can be the weather. The week before the scheduled wet rehearsal, Florida experienced some of the coldest weather it had seen in 25 years, with temperatures reaching 24F degrees. In addition to killing fish in the shallow waters surrounding Kennedy Space Center, this cold snap meant delaying the wet rehearsal, which pushed the earliest launch date for Artemis II from February 06 to February 08, with the 10th and 11th as possible backups.

Depending on the outcome of the wet rehearsal, if Artemis II successfully launched on February 08, Crew 12 launch would need to be postponed until February 19th at the earliest to allow Artemis II to complete its ten-day mission and land back on Earth. Both Artemis II and Crew 12 eagerly awaited the results of the wet rehearsal.

The wet rehearsal would take almost 48 hours and began on February 02. Halfway through the test, the SLS experienced hydrogen leaks that meant the launch would need to be delayed until the March window at the earliest. Disappointing for the Artemis II team, but Crew 12 was still a go for a 0608 AM February 11th launch.

Meanwhile across the country in California, SpaceX planned a Falcon 9 rocket launch for the same day as the wet rehearsal. The California launch would deploy 25 Starlink satellites using the same type of Falcon 9 rocket that would launch Crew 12 in their Dragon capsule. The Falcon 9 had a strong record of 600 successful launches, but on this February 02 launch, the second stage of the rocket experienced an issue that led SpaceX and the FAA to ground all future Falcon 9 rockets. Crew 12 continued to train for an uncertain launch date.

A previous grounding required ten days to resolve. Also, SpaceX policy was to successfully launch an uncrewed Falcon 9 before attempting to launch a crewed Falcon 9 mission. The Crew 12 launch date was once more on hold for reasons unrelated to their mission.

Following an investigation that determined the cause and effect on Crew 12, on February 07, the FAA authorized SpaceX to resume launches using the Falcon 9 rockets. SpaceX soon launched the Starlink satellite payload, freeing Crew 12 to move forward with their scheduled February 11th launch date.

Although Florida had warmed to a beautiful 70F degrees, the northern East Coast was still experiencing frigid weather with strong winds. Because the Crew 12 abort window would occur over the northern East Coast, this poor weather required delaying the Crew 12 launch, despite temperatures that reached 80F degrees in Florida on the day before the scheduled launch. The launch was rescheduled for Friday, February 13th at 0515 AM, skipping February 12th to allow the East Coast weather more time to improve.

Friday the 13th proved to be a lucky day. After months of 16-hour training days in Hawthrone California, Houston, and finally quarantined in Kennedy Space Center, Florida, cosmonaut Andrey Fedyaev and his three crew members sat atop their Falcon 9 rocket, waiting through the many early hours of the countdown before hearing “10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, LAUNCH” at 0515AM on February 13th, 2025.

Nine minutes after launch Crew 12 reached space, and sixteen minutes after launch they were over Europe. Dragon would catch up to the ISS orbit 36 hours later, after which a joyous crew would dock with the ISS and join the three people on board to make up the crew of Expedition 74.
 
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Just watched the ISS pass overhead through the night sky using this app. Actually works. It told me when the ISS would be visible and where it was exactly in the sky as I shifted my phone around. Once spotted, it was bright and easy to track, looking similar to a distant airplane. The photo below is not representative of how it looks in reality.

First time I've seen the ISS. Pretty wild to imagine that people were in there flying above me at that exact moment.



It moves incredibly fast at over 17k mph. In a few minutes it's crossed my entire continent.

 
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I thought the ISS passing by was cool until I saw a batch of recently released Starlink satellites cruising through the night sky in a perfectly straight line, and from Earth view, only about half an inch apart.
 
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I recall that there exists a phone app that can be used to track and view the starlink sats
 
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Artemis Update. Some sanity prevails. Artemis III just lost the moon, but likely saved the program.

Key aspects of the new plan include:

Standardization of SLS: NASA will standardize the Space Launch System (SLS) to a near Block 1 configuration, avoiding custom modifications for each rocket (6:22-6:28, 43:47-43:49, 50:56-50:58). This aims to increase the launch cadence from every three years to potentially within 10 months (8:31-8:35, 41:28-41:30).

Revised Artemis III Mission: Instead of a direct lunar landing, Artemis III, now targeted for mid-2027, will focus on a rendezvous in low Earth orbit with one or both lunar landers (8:41-8:57, 34:39-34:55, 57:17-57:21). This mission will:
Test integrated operations between the Orion spacecraft and the landers (8:57-9:02, 34:57-34:59).
Test environmental control and life support (ECLSS) systems (9:02-9:05, 35:03-35:04).
Allow for testing of development components of extravehicular activity (xEVA) suits in microgravity (9:05-9:15, 35:06-35:11).
Buy down significant risk for future landing missions (27:01-27:03, 28:16-28:19, 57:44-57:46).

Increased Landing Opportunities: The revised plan aims to set up two potential lunar landing attempts with Artemis IV and V in 2028 (9:34-9:40, 35:19-35:29, 57:51-57:57).

Workforce Restoration: A focus on rebuilding the civil servant workforce and restoring core capabilities is a key ingredient to achieving the increased launch cadence (8:22-8:29, 12:02-12:08).

Incremental Learning: The overall campaign is seen as a test program, with each mission providing incremental learning to build confidence and ensure the highest probability of success for lunar landings (58:06-58:58).

This new approach reflects a shift towards a more deliberate, iterative, and frequent strategy for lunar exploration, emphasizing safety, technical excellence, and long-term sustainability.
 
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It's a process.
From what I understand, Artemis 2 helium flow issues were resolved and they well be rolling it back out for a potential launch in April.