Hi folks

I have come across a 145.022 with this dial.
Can this be a vintage servicedial ? Painted logo and "non-professional"
Any thoughts ?



Best regards


Dag

 

What year is the watch? It might be a transitional dial.

 

Thanks, it is on a 145.022 Straight Write, serial 31mill, approx 1970

 

Does not seem to have a step in the dial. So, this is a service dial but the wrong one for this watch.

 

Looks Close to my service dial on a 1968 one;

https://omegaforums.net/threads/speedmaster-1968-but-what-age-and-originality-are-the-parts.89667/

 

It’s a service dial. Most likely issued 1969 - 1974. It might be a little later till 77. I’d bet 70-75 if I had to put odds.

Long indices, narrow T’s non aml step is an interesting combo though. In general you can assume service dials on 321’s are post 1969.
There is no such thing as a 861 service dial as they would use normal production.

I’m fairly sure you would not see a non AML for a non pro pre 1969. In theory their might be some non professional pre 69 service dials but the lack of aml in my mind means it’s later.

 

Thanks for your interest. The dial is a step-dial, not clearly visible on this pic.

 

Wait it’s on a 145.022?

That is not an 861 service dial... it’s most likely a 321 service dial modified to fit.

 

Thanks for your interest and your replies!

 

the combo no applied logo and no professional is only on service dial, or?

 

Yep

 

or worst case, glued to the movement somehow..

 

As already suggested above, that dial has a step, you can see it top right but it is very faint. I have something similar on a 145.012-68 which has been identified as service dial from the turn of the 1970s but is of course fitted to a 321 movement, note mine has wide T's and has the Pro marking. The OP dial could in fact be similar but the straight lug equivalent modified for 861 fitment. As Foo says, There were no 'service' dials for 861 movement watches, they just fitted the current production dial so my bet is on a modded 321 straight lug service dial (from the 1970s) The narrow T's are still a head scratcher but perhaps they faithfully followed the straight lug design. Mine with the non AML long index step service dial. This dial variant is mentioned in MWO (and stated as rare) but not pictured:

 

@padders

I agree those narrow T’s are almost unexplainable on a non AML.

 

Is that really a step dial? Or just a reflection...?

 

hard to say... with that shot in hindsite..

Even more proof its a service dial if its a dome.

 

Almost seems like a really really good redial modeled on a 105.012-66...100% positive it is a 145.022?

 

except then it would say professional...baffling

 

Thanks again, folks
On closer inspection, the dial is not a step dial. It was just the reflection that fooled me.
I agree that this is a 70's service dial, originally for caliber 321 (straight lug), but modified to fit cal 861.

 

If it’s a dome then it must be a 321 dial as there were no straight lugs with 861 movements until after the tritium era. It could be from anywhere from 1969 to ~1980 judging by the patina.