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Still learning but... Fake or non original Seamaster 300 on the bay

  1. KstateSkier Mar 29, 2016

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    OK so I'm still learning the nuances of real and fake Omega's but just spotted this 300 on the bay and thought I'd try my hand and calling out its issues, in an effort to learn.

    So. what am I missing? http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-OMEGA-SEAMASTER-300-DATE-565-24-JEWELS-LUMINOUS-DIAL-WATCH-MENS-1960s/291722757202?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=1&asc=20131003132420&meid=cd128e3bc41644608322554fc6d0c5cb&pid=100005&rk=3&rkt=6&sd=172149115251Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    The indices at 6 and 9 look incorrect, shouldn't they be squared off triangles on the inner part of the dial.
    The date window seems to be missing the white trim.
    Missing serif numerals at 12 - 6 - 9.
    The Triangle at 12 on the bezel appears hand painted and not sharp at all. Not to mention the funny "1" at the 10 spot should have a small line on top rather than a straight vertical 1 (right?)
    "Seamaster 300" should all be on a single line rather than stacked, and "300" is in the wrong font, should match "Seamaster".
    Omega Logo looks too far down on the dial


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    On the bezel it appears as if the black portion doesn't fill into the coin edge but is rather crisp, however the font used on numerals appear funny, the "1" in the "10" doesnt match the original 1's used.

    Movement should be a 552 I think rather than a 565. Scratch that it seems some came in 565 movement.
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    Caseback looks legit with the flat topped "A" in wAterproof.
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    What am I missing?
     
  2. Albe100 Mar 29, 2016

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    Looks pretty good to me, I'm not an expert like a lot of these guys, but the aging of the watch is hard to fake, even the lume is cracking and the plots have a patina. The watch looks really dirty though on the case back foto. I would ask if it's surface dirt or if the metal has corroded. Also ask for pictures of the movement, this will help the experts on this forum.
     
  3. Dash1 Mar 29, 2016

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    The dial is wrong for the model, there has been a recent thread on these dials I think, it is possible that it is a service dial of some kind but it is a deal breaker for most.
    Bracelet is wrong of course.
    The movement parts appear in the photo to have different colours meaning it might have been made up of different parts, but that could just be the photo.
    The 565 is okay for a 166.024 reference but would be wrong in the no date 165.024.
    The rest looks okay, although the hands may be newer service ones or relumed.
     
  4. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Mar 29, 2016

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    Would like to see any threads regarding these dials.
     
  5. Jminchoi Mar 29, 2016

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    The font of Omega Swiss Co Watch looks funny to me. I'm not an expert, it just looks off for some reason.
     
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  6. cimo Mar 29, 2016

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    The difference in color of patina between the hands, bezel, and dial indicate some degree of service or replacement.

    Points regarding bracelet and movement condition have been addressed above. If it is a service dial, it's old enough to have aged into a patina a second time.
     
  7. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Mar 29, 2016

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    Run Forrest, Run!!!

    In parts of the former Soviet Block, that is considered a "collector grade" 300...
     
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  8. KstateSkier Mar 29, 2016

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    I should clarify, I am not planning on bidding on this watch. Just using it as a learning opportunity to research its authenticity and check if I'm learning right and wrong.
     
  9. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Mar 29, 2016

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    Dial, dial, dial, and the rest is immaterial. The dial is 1000% wrong, all aspects. Imagine a fake Datejust dial on a real Submariner...

    The dial should have 12,3,6,9 with open fonts. Look at the many threads about the dial variations and learn from @kox, @CajunTiger, @gemini4, and many others, myself included, who have very good examples of 300s.

    Once you can pick one apart, and I mean all aspects, and can tell Watchco from period, you are ready to start thinking about buying one. They are trickier than Speedies in many aspects.
     
  10. Tubber Mar 30, 2016

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    As watchknut said there is hardly anything correct on the dial. Should look like this.
     
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  11. Dash1 Mar 30, 2016

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  12. Structguy Mar 30, 2016

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    The hour indices in the shorter radius vs the minute markers, the swiss made location, the bezel and lack 3, 6 & 9 are all dead ringers that state it is not original. Nice example Tubber!
     
  13. Tubber Mar 30, 2016

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    Thanks Structguy, that's a bad photo and it looks better in person. Even more so since forum member Rob serviced it and made a few repairs.
     
  14. kox Mar 30, 2016

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    Correct. That thread was about the service dials for the 1.gen. straight lugs SM300's. Which existed.
    But I haven't seen old service dials "meant" for the 2.gen. SM300's (16x.024's) and not at all this ebay one. Well, not until the Omega replacement SL dials - that were produced from the 90'ies and forward.
    Until I see more examples, I would say: redial (fakes would have emerged in greater numbers and spottet by the community)

    The bezel is ok and correct for a 166.024, but yes very worn and damaged.
    There were 3 types of these bezels were the "1" is straight, the two others have sharper triangles at 12 and a thinner font (but same type). So perhaps you have compared it to some of them