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rscfd

·Jul 15, 2021

Good afternoon

I have a Speedmaster from 2005, that do not have the serial number engraved on the lug. So I open the watch and saw that the number is engraved on the 1861 movement.

I spoke with my AD and with the Omega Extranet my serial number does not appear. However the watchmaker from the AD saw the watch and it is 100% authentic.

What happened to the record? Gray market?

Please feel free to tell your opinion

 

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tyrantlizardrex

·Jul 15, 2021

Can you share pictures of the watch please @rscfd

 

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tyrantlizardrex

·Jul 15, 2021

Strange. So the serial number shows up as nothing at all?

As I understood things (I could be wrong!) serials are added to the extranet as watches are made. So if this has been “sterilised” by someone, the movement should still show up.

If you ask @Archer really nicely, he may be able to check the extranet for you.

 

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Archer

·Jul 15, 2021·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

I can confirm that serial number 77101257 comes up as "No results found" on the Omega Extranet.

This is unusual...

 

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Archer

·Jul 15, 2021·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

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Archer if you see the following number already exists
It is strange and the movement is 100% legit

You mean the next serial number?

Serial number: 77101258
Article ref: 35705000

 

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Evitzee

·Jul 15, 2021

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Yes, it is strange
Maybe the one in my watch a replacement movement?

What's the origin of your watch? Where did you get it? It looks like the watch may be made up (hence no serial number on the case), but the movement should show up in Omega's database. Very odd. Sometimes legitimate watches/movements are absent from their database for some unknown reason, looks like your's is one such example, made even odder by the case with no serial number.

 

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Foo2rama

·Jul 15, 2021·Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...

I do not think that year of watch had the serial number engraved.

 

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rscfd

·Jul 15, 2021

I bought several years ago in Portugal from a man who deals with watches. It is very odd because the movement is legit and the previous serial number already appears in the Omega's extranet

 

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Archer

·Jul 15, 2021·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

Foo2rama

I do not think that year of watch had the serial number engraved.

If you mean on the lug, yes it would. Speedmasters with 48 million serial numbers have engravings on the lugs...I have one in my shop right now.

 

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tyrantlizardrex

·Jul 15, 2021

Foo2rama

I do not think that year of watch had the serial number engraved.

I have a 2002 Speedmaster Pro with the serial on the lug…

 

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ChrisN

·Jul 15, 2021

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Yes, it is strange
Maybe the one in my watch a replacement movement?

This probably won't help but, does it say 1861 under the balance? It doesn't look like that to me in the picture you posted - 1863?

Cheers, Chris

 

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tyrantlizardrex

·Jul 15, 2021

ChrisN

This probably won't help but, does it say 1861 under the balance? It doesn't look like that to me in the picture you posted - 1863?

Cheers, Chris

Looks like it - but with a delrin brake fitted.

 

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tyrantlizardrex

·Jul 15, 2021

Where did this watch come from?

 

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NotAClue

·Jul 15, 2021

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I bought several years ago in Portugal from a man who deals with watches. It is very odd because the movement is legit and the previous serial number already appears in the Omega's extranet

Could you enlighten us regarding the name of the dealer?

 

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tyrantlizardrex

·Jul 15, 2021

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It is very odd because the movement is legit...

If it doesn't show in the extranet, that seems a rather bold statement to make.

 

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ChrisN

·Jul 15, 2021

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No, it says 1861

It does look like 1863. That's not a major issue anyway but, it would make me think it has been put together.

Just an observation - on my tiny phone, all the screws look untouched except for the case screws (that hold the movement to the ring) and the fine regulation screw. Normally, we try not to damage screws so, it shouldn't have left the factory like that but, I suppose it may have been serviced and the watchmaker did the movement build and someone else cased it and tried to regulate it.

I've never had such a recent model in to compare the fonts of the numbers. The highest serial I've got photos of is about 48.5 million. As long as you're sure about the fonts and spacing, then I suppose it will remain a mystery. Good luck.

Cheers, Chris

 

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Archer

·Jul 15, 2021·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

ChrisN

It does look like 1863. That's not a major issue anyway but, it would make me think it has been put together.

Pretty sure it will say 1861. Here is a crop from the OP's photo:



And 1863 will have perlage around the balance area, as shown here:



Cheers, Al

 

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Archer

·Jul 15, 2021·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

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The Omega service center here in Portugal, saw the watch and the movement and certified as 100% as an Omega 1861 movement.
But I think the watch was assembled with different parts all Omega parts but assembled, because the case is from the nineties

Can you please show the inside of the case back?

 

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NotAClue

·Jul 15, 2021

Did you buy it in Lisbon? More specifically in Praca da Figueira?

 

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timecube

·Jul 15, 2021

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This one I took from the internet, because my watch was sealed by Cinco em Ponto the service center here in Portugal

The image you took from the internet is of no bearing on @Archer's question.