Dear All,

I am very new to the forum, and I was hoping I could get some clarity to when it comes to serial numbers.

I am looking for a Speedmaster Professional from 1989, my year of birth, I am aware that there is a limited edition out there, but I would rather have my Speedy without the engraving on the side, therefore I am looking for the standard model.
However, after fiddling around for a while, and as I cannot find any watch with papers that is not limited edition from 1989, I started to look for serial ranges and I found so many discrepancies.
How does it work? Does anyone know a source that is clear about the serial numbers?

Thank you so much and sorry for the question.

Michele

 

Also, I found a 4824, which should be from 1989, but the case back is 145.0022 instead of the 145.022 that I saw on multiple Limited editions that I am sure are from 1989

 

... I use this site for those questions ..
https://www.ilovemyspeedmaster.com/productiondateprediction/

 

Wow this is amazing!

 

145.0022 is expected caseback from 89.

 

If you prefer a LE from 1989 but don't like the engraving on the caseband side that comes with the 20th Anniversary Apollo XI (agree with you about that), an alternative to a standard Speedmaster is the "20 Years Flight-qualified for Space" with display-back. It came in numbered and un-numbered editions but the numbers are on the bezel holding the display back, and the caseband is untouched. The numbered edition was limited to around 1000, the un-numbered not limited. Speedmaster display-back models look very nice IMO.

Look for 345.0808 (bracelet) and 145.0808 (leather strap). Serial ranges for numbered version: 48.240.xxx-48.251.xxx. For un-numbered version: 48.251.xxx-48.315.xxx. Use ilovemyspeedmaster to focus in on a 1989 production because the un-numbered edition ran for a few years starting in 1989.

Here's a link to a recent thread about the numbered version, with photos:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ome...-xi-„numbered“-2nd-series.86260/#post-1113304

 

Thank you all for all the information!

 

I recently purchased an Apollo XI, 3592.50.00 from the numbered edition (# 0513):




The link for my post with some information about this model can be seen here:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/the...-3592-50-numbered-edition.85991/#post-1114566

Not sure on specific year mine was sold as came without paperwork (ordered the extract of the archives from Omega to find out more information), but think you can probably find one sold in 1989

 

Do all the numbered editions have the copper cal 863 movement?

 

At least on the 3592.50.00 numbered edition yes all have the 863 gilt movement

 

Yeah that is what i meant haha. I’m currently looking to purchase one, would you suggest searching by using the ref 3592.50 or 3352b/3392b or 145.0808/345.0808. All pretty much different terms for the same watch? Disregarding strap vs bracelet

 

If you want the sapphire caseback with caliber 863 gilt movement you need to search for 3592.50 or 335.0808. There are a couple for sale right now (non numbered edition) in the watch forums.

 

Yeah im looking for the copper 863, thus numbered version. Those are pretty rare right?

 

I came across mine and bought it without knowing it was a numbered edition. There are supposely 1000 of them, but not common to see them for sale. The 3592.50 gilt 863 movement comes both in numbered and un-numbered versions

 

Sorry but this is wrong and confusing. You cannot compare apples and plums. Reduced serials have no common logic with Moonwatches. I would even say that there are no 861s with 50M serials but this is to be confirmed. And the 48M serials at large are quite tricky.

I have had two 20th Apollo XI (rest of world) watches from 1989 with serials 48.250 and 48.253
I have a 20th Apollo XI Numbered 1000 LE (gold 863) from 1989 with serial 48.251

All three confirmed by extracts, obviously.

For @KeenEast it’s easy, if you’re looking for a Copper 863 it’s the 20th Anniversary of Flight Qualified 1000 LE and the serial must be 48.169 - but I already told it to you on IG

 

*edit my earlier post... i am sorry

 

From my understanding and research, only the first set of 1000 345.0808 / 145.0808 watches has the red/"copper" 863 movement, as opposed to the more yellow/"gilt" 863 movement; they all have serial numbers 48169xxx. There's an informative thread at https://omegaforums.net/threads/my-...08-20-years-flight-qualified-for-space.53890/

Here's mine.

 

copper 863 is a beauty! Maybe some day will find one!

 

Any expert here who can clarify whether the watch in the link below is a franken/put together piece?

https://www.chrono24.com/nl/omega/s...ted--id10620687.htm?SETLANG=nl_NL&SETCURR=EUR

As far as I have read, the only omega speedmasters with a copper coloured calibre 863 movement, are the 345.0808/145.0808. Specifically and exactually only with movement number between 48.169.000 and 48.169.999. Therefore, above watch should be considered a copper 863, one of those 1000. However, the caseback does not have a LE engraving, nor is it an Apollo XI caseback. The case itself does not have the between lug engraving. The first time i’ve seen this watch being offered, it did not have the box included in the photos, nor the Apollo patch(those were initially included with a different watch).

Questions unanswered:

- How is an extract from the archive created? ((Serial number + description/photo’s?
- should this watch have an engraved caseback?
- Should this watch have a between lug engraving?
- is this a put together piece compiled of parts from different watches? (Bracelet, box, papers, patch, caseback, case)
- can this be considered a scam?

Kind regards,

KeenEast

 

Look into numbered and unnumbered versions of that watch.

Extract info is from thier data.