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padders
··Oooo subtitles!It looks OK but the hands are G- at best based on the colour of fade and paint loss IMO. Those could be changed though. The dial looks very nice but I note the back and bezel show minor marks. The condition of the mid case and whether the contours are still all correct will be a big factor in the overall value but I suspect any higher than VG would be very optimistic, with G+ how it looks at present.
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hansaboy
·If you want a detailed "grading", then you need to post more (and better pictures).
Showing the dial, case, casebook etc from different angles.
Showing the dial, case, casebook etc from different angles.
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puntodvista
·More pictures. The case has some dings, but barely noticeable with naked eyes.
So, certainly this watch has not been in a safe for 50 years. It shows traces of use. I agree with your evaluation. I've seen a couple of almost NOS examples (this one is definitely not), I just wanted to understand this grading scale.
So, certainly this watch has not been in a safe for 50 years. It shows traces of use. I agree with your evaluation. I've seen a couple of almost NOS examples (this one is definitely not), I just wanted to understand this grading scale.
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Davidt
·It’s still hard to be sure from those pics but I would say it’s good or possibly good-very good. Certainly not excellent.
As a comparison I have this -71 which I’d only rate as Very Good. But, how the scale is applied is subjective.
As a comparison I have this -71 which I’d only rate as Very Good. But, how the scale is applied is subjective.
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·I tried to highlight all the defects in my pictures. Of course a good photographer could present it better, and even better than it really is (and maybe get a higher grade) but this was not the scope of my request 😉
Thank you all for your valuable opinions.
Thank you all for your valuable opinions.
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··Oooo subtitles!Yep I agree. That reinforces my feeling that on the SP101 scale that's a Good category watch which could be pushed towards VG by a hand replacement. Certainly not VG or EX at present. The 1171/633 bracelet and end links add value (the SP101 price is for head only) but only a few hundred bucks as they are plentiful and one of the cheaper vintage designs. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as ever, but those hands can't objectively be described as beautiful.
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·Sorry for being a bit picky....
But on the dial - is this dirt or marks...??
But on the dial - is this dirt or marks...??
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puntodvista
·Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as ever.
We have an example of this currently for sale in this forum (https://omegaforums.net/threads/speedmaster-145-022-76-serviced.170609/). The seller ranked it very good+ and I was a bit surprised of this ranking. This is why I opened this thread by the way....
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·Very, very few vintage watches can be considered "excellent" on the grading scale. I sold this 1971 Speedmaster back in 2022 and graded it as "very good" and it was truly the nicest exampels of a '71 that I have ever seen and it was fully serviced at the time. SOLD - 1971 Speedmaster Professional In Beautiful Condition | Omega Forums
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puntodvista
·
To me, my watch can be rated good / very good, depending on various factors, so I totally agree with others valuations. What made me curious was the announcement I linked above, which is described as very good +. So I wanted to understand better the criteria for rating. Beside the subjective feelings, and the fact that naked eyes don’t see all the small things that appear in high definition pictures, I think that for these ‘70s speedmasters it’s not hard to arrive at a quite objective grading.
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··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderFor me, to be excellent, the dial has to hold up under a 10x loupe.
that means no blotches or marks on the dial surface. I expect the lume to be free of black spots, or chipping or dirt.
when looking at an Excellent dial, I often spend quite a long time surfing around through the loupe, not finding anything to criticise. The moment you see a fault, it drops out of Excellent.
In order to arrive at a meaningful, useful and accurate grade, one has to be ruthless when thinking of allocating an excellent grade. If I am not ruthless, then the grade becomes devalued and meaningless.
I have handled perhaps five speedmasters that are truly Excellent.
that means no blotches or marks on the dial surface. I expect the lume to be free of black spots, or chipping or dirt.
when looking at an Excellent dial, I often spend quite a long time surfing around through the loupe, not finding anything to criticise. The moment you see a fault, it drops out of Excellent.
In order to arrive at a meaningful, useful and accurate grade, one has to be ruthless when thinking of allocating an excellent grade. If I am not ruthless, then the grade becomes devalued and meaningless.
I have handled perhaps five speedmasters that are truly Excellent.
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··Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder
I have highlighted two marks that would knock this dial out of excellent. There are others.
Ruthless
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·Yes, this is a very good dial, not an excellent one. Thanks.
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