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Speedmaster Mark II 145.014 Cal. 861: Is It a Moonwatch?

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I’m checking out details of my late spouse’s Omega. He enjoyed collecting and learning about the watches, especially the moonwatch connection.
S/N 25003750 cal 861, bracelet holy grail coffin 1450-808, case 145.014. Is this considered a Moonwatch? Thinking of selling, perhaps through Graizlee. Thank you.
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JimInOz
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My condolences re your spouse.

I'm not a Speedmaster expert but they will be along shortly to help.

My only comment is that the caseback is wrong for the watch which is a "Moonwatch", it's for a MKII model (not a Moonwatch).
I notice your Speedie has an aftermarket see-through caseback, so maybe he got casebacks mixed up when the see-through was installed.
 
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I agree the solid case back is not what this watch originally came with. The 145.014 is a different watch.

Some parts of this watch, like the dial, appear to be from an early Moonwatch and this has a 321 movement. These can be very collectible if they have their correct original parts but it appears this watch has replacement parts.

I too am not an expert so check back here when more people respond.

Sorry for your loss.

Edit: my research says that this watch may have started as a 145.012-67 Moonwatch but the case back and bezel are not what would have originally come on the watch.
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JimInOz JimInOz
My condolences re your spouse.

I'm not a Speedmaster expert but they will be along shortly to help.

My only comment is that the caseback is wrong for the watch which is a "Moonwatch", it's for a MKII model (not a Moonwatch).
I notice your Speedie has an aftermarket see-through caseback, so maybe he got casebacks mixed up when the see-through was installed.
 
pattyw
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Thank you for your condolences, it’s been over 6 years and I’m ready to let it go. Thank you for the info on the caseback. I remember he was trying so hard not to create a frankenwatch so he must’ve thought it was correct. I’ll keep looking for more replies.
 
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Felix_La_PuBelle Felix_La_PuBelle
I agree the solid case back is not what this watch originally came with. The 145.014 is a different watch.

Some parts of this watch, like the dial, appear to be from an early Moonwatch and this has a 321 movement. These can be very collectible if they have their correct original parts but it appears this watch has replacement parts.

I too am not an expert so check back here when more people respond.

Sorry for your loss.

Edit: my research says that this watch may have started as a 145.012-67 Moonwatch but the case back and bezel are not what would have originally come on the watch.
 
pattyw
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Thank you for the information. It’s been over 6 years since he passed and I’m ready to perhaps let it go so I’m just trying to figure out what I’ve got. He was probably on this forum when he was trying to get the watch back to original. I remember he was very excited to get a holy grail bracelet.
 
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Felix_La_PuBelle Felix_La_PuBelle
I agree the solid case back is not what this watch originally came with. The 145.014 is a different watch.

Some parts of this watch, like the dial, appear to be from an early Moonwatch and this has a 321 movement. These can be very collectible if they have their correct original parts but it appears this watch has replacement parts.

I too am not an expert so check back here when more people respond.

Sorry for your loss.

Edit: my research says that this watch may have started as a 145.012-67 Moonwatch but the case back and bezel are not what would have originally come on the watch.

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Donn Chambers
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Since no one else has mentioned it, the hour and minutes hands are incorrect for a 145.012-67. They appear to be for a Mark II and have been repainted.
 
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pattyw pattyw
OMG, I found it! Caseback 145.012-67. You are a genius!!
That is more likely the right case back for this watch. But noting another members’ comments about the hands, this may have been a project watch that your husband or someone before him was assembling from various parts.

Since you found that other case back, is it right to assume you are dealing with an assortment of loose watch parts in his collection of things?
 
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Felix_La_PuBelle Felix_La_PuBelle
That is more likely the right case back for this watch. But noting another members’ comments about the hands, this may have been a project watch that your husband or someone before him was assembling from various parts.

Since you found that other case back, is it right to assume you are dealing with an assortment of loose watch parts in his collection of things?
 
pattyw
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I do have watch parts. I don’t know why he had the caseback for the Mark II. Perhaps the watch had that back on it when he bought it. I’m thinking he must’ve sought out and bought the correct caseback. He had the clear backs on a couple of watches, he liked seeing the movement. I’m surprised by the post about the hands being incorrect. I have some other hands from his parts box.
 
ghce
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Just as likely he was customizing an original watch to how he wanted it to be as many collectors do.
To be fair this never increases the legitimate value of a watch but to some it's more about how they want it to look.
 
pattyw
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ghce ghce
Just as likely he was customizing an original watch to how he wanted it to be as many collectors do.
To be fair this never increases the legitimate value of a watch but to some it's more about how they want it to look.
 
pattyw
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Could be. He always spoke about getting it to original. Wish I could ask him. I’m glad he did get much enjoyment out of learning about the watch.
 
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