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Evitzee
·But it is settled, I will make another trip to bother the Omega Boutique for the 321 and hopefully they'll allow me on the waitlist without any purchase history shenanigans.
Speedmaster Calibre 321 versus an original Speedmaster pre-moon
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byunjoe
·I'm hoping so too. Since I am in SoCal, I'm sure the list is long and the OB is not want for customers. Else I don't think it's out of the question to pay around 20k for the re-issue on the secondary market considering vintage ones in decent condition go for as much as well.
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ezinternet
·Here are three shots of side-by-side:
321 Ed White on the "Ed White" stand,
and 321 105.003-64 (w service bezel and chrono hand from way back when) on the vintage holder.
and two more with a substitution ... the 105.003-65 w/ proper chrono hand
These next two, with the 105.003-65 w/ proper chrono hand
321 Ed White on the "Ed White" stand,
and 321 105.003-64 (w service bezel and chrono hand from way back when) on the vintage holder.
and two more with a substitution ... the 105.003-65 w/ proper chrono hand
These next two, with the 105.003-65 w/ proper chrono hand
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byunjoe
·Here are three shots of side-by-side:
321 Ed White on the "Ed White" stand,
and 321 105.003-64 (w service bezel and chrono hand from way back when) on the vintage holder.
and two more with a substitution ... the 105.003-65 w/ proper chrono hand
These next two, with the 105.003-65 w/ proper chrono hand
I am eternally grateful! These pictures are fantastic. I can definitely see the minute details - particularly with the bezel typefaces being slightly pudgier in the re-issue - really add up to be a slightly different piece. I suppose my question remains moot as all versions are wonderful in their own right and it isn't right to compare!
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SpeedyPhill
·Ed White wrist watch stand (note figurine has 2 Speedies as both Gemini IV astronaut wore 2 Speedmaster 105.003) #MoonwatchUniverse
1967 softcover Omega brochure
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1967 softcover Omega brochure
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7enderbender
·I’m going to be that guy: for me the modern 321 is a total miss. I could’ve had one and when it became available took a hard pass and bought something from a different brand that I always wanted and a previous model 1861 as a modern Speedy to augment my late 80s Speedmaster reduced that had always been my favorite since I got it back then.
I love the idea of the recreation of the 321 movement. How it ended up in a watch that basically has nothing in common with a vintage Speedmaster is beyond me.
Sign me up if they ever put the movement into a regular size watch that shares a good number of details of a late 60s watch that would’ve been on the Apollo missions. Otherwise, I’ll one day add a vintage one to my collection - but there are quite a few other things that will have to come first.
I love the idea of the recreation of the 321 movement. How it ended up in a watch that basically has nothing in common with a vintage Speedmaster is beyond me.
Sign me up if they ever put the movement into a regular size watch that shares a good number of details of a late 60s watch that would’ve been on the Apollo missions. Otherwise, I’ll one day add a vintage one to my collection - but there are quite a few other things that will have to come first.
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TMas
·I’m going to be that guy: for me the modern 321 is a total miss. I could’ve had one and when it became available took a hard pass and bought something from a different brand that I always wanted and a previous model 1861 as a modern Speedy to augment my late 80s Speedmaster reduced that had always been my favorite since I got it back then.
I love the idea of the recreation of the 321 movement. How it ended up in a watch that basically has nothing in common with a vintage Speedmaster is beyond me.
Sign me up if they ever put the movement into a regular size watch that shares a good number of details of a late 60s watch that would’ve been on the Apollo missions. Otherwise, I’ll one day add a vintage one to my collection - but there are quite a few other things that will have to come first.
Have you had the chance to hold one in your hand?
It is a perfect recreation of a 105 case, with a perfectly updated vintage 1039 bracelet, a beautiful 321 movement and a perfect recreation of a pre-moon dial. The milky-ring-less sapphire and dark black bezel with white writing adds some real pop to it. It’s amazing.
What specifically do you not like, or think doesn’t work?
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stonestone
·I agree. The modern Daytona looks a bit like a toy to my eyes: the giant bezel and the bulbous looking hour markers, and the un-ergonomically rotating numbers on the subdials really don't do it for me. Vintage Daytonas are a different story - though their price points are as well 😁
But it is settled, I will make another trip to bother the Omega Boutique for the 321 and hopefully they'll allow me on the waitlist without any purchase history shenanigans.
Meanwhile, I have this 105.003-65 to keep me company.
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7enderbender
·Have you had the chance to hold one in your hand?
It is a perfect recreation of a 105 case, with a perfectly updated vintage 1039 bracelet, a beautiful 321 movement and a perfect recreation of a pre-moon dial. The milky-ring-less sapphire and dark black bezel with white writing adds some real pop to it. It’s amazing.
What specifically do you not like, or think doesn’t work?
yes, and I had told the OB in Switzerland that I wanted one. When they came out I didn’t like any of it. I debated buying it anyway to get in on the hype and sell it for a profit but that seemed wrong.
It’s not what I think a Speedmaster is. Wrong case size, saphire, ceramic (that’s my problem also with modern Rolex watches), flat link bracelet (I don’t get why people dug those up again), display back (and yes, it’s a perfect redesign and somewhat pretty 321, but I’d prefer to know what movement I have instead of showing it off). They went for a niche product from their past that up until then nobody would’ve found particularly desirable. It was always the Moon Watch, not the Gemini program watch or something.
No question that it is beautifully executed. Omega in this era is at the top of their game and there are a few recent watches high on my list (world timer, a few of the other AT watches, CK859…)
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TMas
·yes, and I had told the OB in Switzerland that I wanted one. When they came out I didn’t like any of it. I debated buying it anyway to get in on the hype and sell it for a profit but that seemed wrong.
It’s not what I think a Speedmaster is. Wrong case size, saphire, ceramic (that’s my problem also with modern Rolex watches), flat link bracelet (I don’t get why people dug those up again), display back (and yes, it’s a perfect redesign and somewhat pretty 321, but I’d prefer to know what movement I have instead of showing it off). They went for a niche product from their past that up until then nobody would’ve found particularly desirable. It was always the Moon Watch, not the Gemini program watch or something.
No question that it is beautifully executed. Omega in this era is at the top of their game and there are a few recent watches high on my list (world timer, a few of the other AT watches, CK859…)
I completely understand. It’s funny those points with the case and flat link bracelets are some of the things I love about it. On paper the ceramic bezel and sapphire sounded like a terrible idea, but in person I think they are great.
Different opinions in this hobby are fun!
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!I love the idea of the recreation of the 321 movement. How it ended up in a watch that basically has nothing in common with a vintage Speedmaster is beyond me.
Sign me up if they ever put the movement into a regular size watch that shares a good number of details of a late 60s watch that would’ve been on the Apollo missions. Otherwise, I’ll one day add a vintage one to my collection - but there are quite a few other things that will have to come first.
You do know the Ed White was worn on the moon, right? And obviously featured on many space missions back to the Gemini days. Personally I think the NEW it is a pretty faithful recreation, just updated to reflect modern materials which help to (somewhat) justify the steep price. I’m perfectly happy with my original but do see the appeal of the new one too.
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Evitzee
·@7enderbender Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I don't quite understand your position that it has a wrong case size for a Speedmaster, that doesn't square with reality. You can also believe that only a Speedmaster in a 42mm case with crown guards is a moon watch but that isn't true, either. And I'm not sure what your issue is with a flat link bracelet, what's the alternative if it is to be close to what was on the watches of that era? It does have a sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel and display back, and those are updates on the original, but it would be a hard sell if Omega tried to sell any steel chronograph with a plastic crystal and solid back today for $14k, even if it had a 321 inside. Omega really had to thread a needle with this project to meet the needs of the corporation (halo product in this space, somewhat profitable) and to be attractive to the target audience to the point that they would plunk down their money down and buy it. Even get on a long waiting list to obtain one. The market has spoken, Omega has a winner in the Ed White 321. You are in the minority, but that's ok, there is no product that appeals to everyone.
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M'Bob
·flat link bracelet (I don’t get why people dug those up again)…)
I know they have their detractors, but I think the flat-link iterations are the best bracelets ever made. And I have a bunch of other ones…
They are not overly heavy and clunky. You can lengthen and shorten the spring-links with toothpicks and a chop stick. And those little spring-links make for a super-comfortable wear, when there are temperature changes. When adjusted correctly, they won’t have that annoying habit of rotating on the wrist. Bracelet nirvana…
