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Hello everyone .
I'm writing here to ask you to please give me some advice.
A Speedmaster Broad Arrow raises some questions for me. The case, bezel and dial look legit to me. The mechanism, however, raises a question. Why are there two colors there? I mean some parts are silver and some (most) are reddish (probably copper plated). Is that a sign he's a Franken? Or not ?
Also, if you find any issues with the case, bezel and dial, please let me know.
Thank you
 
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32m 17 jewel movement metal brake 861 movement. Circa 1973/74

how did that end up in there.


My guess it was a 145.022-72 with a bad dial and hands and someone restored it with broad arrow parts. What does in the inner and outer caseback look like?

Mid case looks older with wear and is missing the expected serial number in a lug that newer watches have.
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Back in the day, these dials, hand sets and bezels were easy to get on the open market and people used them to update older watches to look like the 1957 version. Pretty sure that is what you have here.

I had this dial and hand set at one point with the intention of converting an 80s Speedmaster and never got around to it.
 
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Does the dial also appear damaged around 7 o’clock or are those blemishes on the crystal?
 
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Thank you for the answers.
This is the caseback .
According to the serial number, the movement was produced in 1974. Could this be a reason why it does not have the serial number marked on the case lug?
 
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Thank you for the answers.
This is the caseback .
According to the serial number, the movement was produced in 1974. Could this be a reason why it does not have the serial number marked on the case lug?
Yes. Serial numbers were not put on lugs until the mid 90s.
 
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New dial and hand set added to an older watch.
 
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Does the dial also appear damaged around 7 o’clock or are those blemishes on the crystal?
The dial is ok. But, the cristal , not so much.
 
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New dial and hand set added to an older watch.
Should it have the typical Speedmaster Moonwatch dial and hands?
 
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Hi Guys
I recently purchased an Omega constellation, unfortunately I have a suspicion it could be a fake.
Any feedback, and expertise would be helpful, I am quite a beginner with Omega, but I would like to learn more...
Kind regards
Paul
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You should make a new thread for this.
 
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Should it have the typical Speedmaster Moonwatch dial and hands?

the inner caseback will tell but that watch should look like a 145.022-74 or similar.
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The broad arrow is a much newer watch made in the last 20 years.

so as noted someone took newer parts and put them in an older watch.

the dial, bezel, and hands are all replacement parts.
 
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the inner caseback will tell but that watch should look like a 145.022-74 or similar.
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The broad arrow is a much newer watch made in the last 20 years.

so as noted someone took newer parts and put them in an older watch.

the dial, bezel, and hands are all replacement parts.
This is the marking inside the cover.
Does that mean the dial and hands were supposed to be typical Moonwatch and not Broad Arrow as they are now?
 
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This is a total put together. The case and movement are from circa 1974. The dial and hands are from circa 1998 or later (since they seem to use SL lume, they'd be from 1997 if it were tritium). The caseback is a service part fitted sometime from ~1982 onwards as that is when they went from 145.022 to 145.0022 in the back. Or perhaps the entire case is later than the movement. As you say it could well be described as a Franken.

Yes the original hands for this movement and case would have been the regular white stick hands.

ps Omega originally described the model with this dial and hands as the 'Replica Speedmaster' with PIC 3594.50. Realising how silly an idea this was, they have called it a few things but it is currently referred to as the Speedmaster Relaunch on their website. Broad Arrow is a term normally reserved for a whole different series of Speedmasters.

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/planet-omega/60th-anniversary-speedmaster/relaunch-1997
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This is a total put together. The case and movement are from circa 1974. The dial and hands are from circa 1998 or later (since they seem to use SL lume, they'd be from 1997 if it were tritium). The caseback is a service part fitted sometime from ~1982 onwards as that is when they went from 145.022 to 145.0022 in the back. Or perhaps the entire case is later than the movement. As you say it could well be described as a Franken.

Yes the original hands for this movement and case would have been the regular white stick hands.

ps Omega originally described the model with this dial and hands as the 'Replica Speedmaster' with PIC 3594.50. Realising how silly an idea this was, they have called it a few things but it is currently referred to as the Speedmaster Relaunch on their website. Broad Arrow is a term normally reserved for a whole different series of Speedmasters.

https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/planet-omega/60th-anniversary-speedmaster/relaunch-1997

Cool, I didn't know Omega started calling this the Relaunch. I never liked Replica, but that's what it was and it was kind of neat having a "genuine" replica.

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This is the case back.
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Thanks everyone for the replies. I don't want to nominate anyone because you all took the time to respond to me. So once again thank you all.
As for me, I understand this Speedy's situation.

Best regards
Adrian
 
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