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Speedmaster and Submariner Comparison.

  1. OrangeSport Sep 16, 2013

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    I posted this over at Watchuseek a little while ago, and thought it might be of interest here too. Nothing too serious, just a light-hearted comparison of two iconic pieces. Enjoy:

    Thought it might be fun to compare two of my watches which at first glance are very different, but in some ways are very similar. Say hello to the Rolex Submariner 14060M and the Omega Speedmaster Professional 3570.50.00. Yeah, I know, they're nothing like each other are they? An automatic diver and a manual wind chronograph. But, there are also some big similarities. Both are stainless steel luxury sports watches, both are on a bracelet, neither has a date, both have clear and easy to read faces, both are very balanced in appearance and both can be traced back to original models from the fifties. More importantly, in real and honest modern day usage, these are just nice, sporty everyday watches with a degree of versatility to them. So, perhaps not that different after all?

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    Quality and Finish
    These are both very well finished watches, with a mixture of polished and brushed services. There some key differences here. The Rolex has a highly scratch resistant sapphire crystal, and the Omega uses hesalite. We don't want those astronauts breathing in broken glass, do we? The Submariner has white gold hands and applied markers, the Speedmaster makes do without such luxuries.

    The Omega has a better bracelet and clasp. Especially the clasp. There's nothing wrong with the Rolex's, and the design has been shown to be reliable, but the Omega's just feels more substantial. The whole watch also feels a little heavier.

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    I prefer the feel of the Omega's mechanism when winding the watches, and the hands have less bounce in them when adjusting the time.

    Looks and Style

    I like pretty plain, clear and well balanced faces on my watches, and both of these oblige. They both look classy and classic. Neither watch is remotely dressy, but both are versatile. The Speedmaster is probably a little more casual, but there is really very little in it. It also has a nicely finished case back.

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    Functionality and Performance

    Plus points for both watches here.

    Submariner: Waterproof to 300 meters, unidirectional rotating bezel, automatic movement, hacking seconds hands, screw down crown and COSC certification.

    Speedmaster: Chronograph, tachymeter and a 52 hour power reserve (Omega quotes 40).

    OK, so a few more points to the Rolex!

    Costs

    There is a big price difference between these two. The 14060M is now discontinued, but retailed at £4100 in its last days. The Speedmaster is now £2880. However, in my experience, larger discounts are available on the Omega (approaching 20%, against 5% on the Rolex - both based on what I paid) which increases the price difference.

    The Omega is cheaper to service too.

    Conclusion

    A tough, tough call. I really like both watches (no surprises there, as I went out and bought them). Both have prestigious names, impeccable pedigrees, fascinating histories (especially the Speedmaster) and classic good looks. They are well built, reliable timepieces. I am a sucker for the Rolex brand, but the Omega is better value in my opinion. But when has this ever been about value?

    The Rolex probably just edges it for me because of the automatic movement, better water resistance and (in the case of my two examples) better accuracy. Neither are far out though, and I am sure they could be adjusted to be more accurate. The Submariner averages + 2 or 3 seconds per day, the Speedmaster runs at about + 6. Generally the Rolex is my regular watch on Monday to Friday, then on Saturday morning I pop on the slightly more relaxed Speedmaster for the weekend. Obviously my watch choice varies as specific events dictate, but that's my standard approach and it means I get to enjoy them both regularly.

    As I often do, I asked my six year old daughter which she preferred. As kids often do, she cut through all the BS and answered very confidently that the Rolex is better. Why? "Because not that many people go to the moon these days, but lots of people dive!" Genius!

    Thanks for reading. Hopefully it was interesting.

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  2. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 16, 2013

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    I don't mind discussing either watch's merits, but their similarities are rather superficial, so comparing either to each other seems grossly unwarranted, especially to the point of awarding points to one VS the other in various categories. Preferences between the two also seems pointless as they the have completely different missions that both do well.
    Not meaning at all to offend, but these types of comparisons often break down and elicit responses from fan boys out the wood work, so I would prefer not to discuss either watch in this type of framework.
     
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  3. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 16, 2013

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    I actually did this same review with two vintage versions as well, although they're remarkably different, they both fall into that historically significant stainless sports watch collector segment and I found myself swapping between them constantly.

    http://omegaforums.net/threads/speedmaster-vs-submariner.1630/
     
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  4. OrangeSport Sep 16, 2013

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    No worries, although I believe the in the real world they actually often perform the same job; that of a good quality sports watch. I doubt many examples are used for their intended purpose, and they could easily compete for wrist or watch box space. I know mine do.

    Not intended to be too serious though. Thanks or reading anyway.
     
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  5. OrangeSport Sep 16, 2013

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    Hi, yes, I read that after I stuck my post up. They can definitely fill the same space, can't they?
     
  6. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 16, 2013

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    The most significant thing they have in common is either one can serve you for the rest of your life continuously in just about any conditions life can throw at it. The fact that they're both winning formulas, one the purest form of the sports chronograph and the other the purest form of the sports diver really does boil down to their longevity as true every day, every year, every decade watches.
     
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  7. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 16, 2013

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    That significance I can whole wholeheartedly agree on. I own both (the Sub for over 20 years) and neither has ever let me down. The sub has taken me through tropical jungles, oceans and deserts. The Speedmaster to the mo......OK not there, but it has performed flawlessly in its roles as well.
     
  8. STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Sep 17, 2013

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    You need a third watch to add to your classic black theme

    Tag Heuer Monaco

    WW2110.FC6177

    :thumbsup:
     
  9. ulackfocus Sep 17, 2013

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    I have to agree with Steve - the similarities of the Sub and Speedy are cosmetic only (ie: black dial, stainless case, etc). The Sub would be better compared to a dive watch like the Planet Ocean or 2254, and the Speedy is more like the Daytona.

    While your two watches may compete for wrist time because of the 'accesory factor', you can't make the leap that they were designed for the same purpose.
     
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  10. OrangeSport Sep 17, 2013

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    I was looking at this from another perspective. They weren't designed for the same purpose, but in the modern world they often serve the same purpose. I think that their original purpose has all but gone, and they are just nice day-to-day watches. That was the basis of this thread. Just an easy going, non-technical review.

    When I purchased the Speedy it was competing with the Explorer, the Grande Seiko GMT, the Reverso and the Milgauss. Certainly not another chronograph, and definitely not the Daytona. Different makes, designs and price points. But all nice versatile pieces. And I think plenty of people buy that way, not by diver, chrono, GMT etc. Not all obviously, but plenty.

    I think I pitched it wrong for this forum, which seems a little more "serious" than the watch forums I usually use (WUS and TRF). No worries, lesson learned. I just don't take my watches that seriously I guess.

    Hope it's an enjoyable read for some people anyway.

    Cheers.
     
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  11. Privateday7 quotes Miss Universe Sep 17, 2013

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    Only about watches......we are totally lack of our seriousness on anything else...:p
     
  12. ulackfocus Sep 17, 2013

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    No worries. You did, after all, include the most important part: PICTURES! ::jumpy::
     
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  13. OrangeSport Sep 17, 2013

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    They do help, don't they? Nothing like a bit of eye candy!
     
  14. OrangeSport Sep 17, 2013

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    Ha! A little "square" for my tastes!

    ;)
     
  15. STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Sep 18, 2013

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    You would be better comparing a 321 speedmaster against a 861 speedmaster

    As above all have said they are both great watches just not really that comparable.

    ( I just don't take my watches that seriously I guess.) You are if you spent the time to create this post :thumbsup:
     
  16. Varasc Oct 5, 2013

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    Good reading indeed, I enjoyed both the pics and your words. I also appreciated the funny and wise reply of your little daughter. :)
     
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  17. OrangeSport Oct 8, 2013

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    Thanks Varasc.
     
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  18. Event horizon faux seller of watches and complete knobhead Apr 1, 2014

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    I liked the review, in the sixties they both would have been sought after and difficult to choose
     
  19. Jimmy Jim Apr 1, 2014

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    Thanks for the great read and of course pictures. From my perspective, being VERY new to serious watches, this would have been great information months ago when standing at the boutiques flipping a coin. Now that I am dangerous, I have two speedys, so it's pretty apparent where my heart lies. And someday soon I will be able to make a 'vintage incoming' post and the journey to the dark side will be complete. :D
     
  20. OrangeSport Apr 5, 2014

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    Thanks both...