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  1. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Jan 31, 2015

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  2. Drawarms Jan 31, 2015

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    movement does look a bit suspect...
     
  3. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Jan 31, 2015

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    Is it odd that it's lised in item specifics as a white gold Rolex Daytona?

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  4. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Jan 31, 2015

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    Probably an erroneous carryover from another of the seller's listings. He is principally known as a Rolex dealer.
     
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  5. mappleluna Jan 31, 2015

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    What is wrong with the movement? Such a perfect dial! Hard to believe... Is it a clean and geniune example?
     
  6. alam Jan 31, 2015

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    sold
     
  7. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jan 31, 2015

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    Why?

    (Here I hold my breath thinking did I miss something?!)

    For me it looks like a put together. But I cannot see what is wrong with the movement, although I admit I cant see much on the photos

    I bet a pound to a penny those hands are new.

    Case is terribly corroded, but many of the -3's I see are similar, i wonder if the steel was poor in the particular period these cases produced - or just age.
     
  8. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jan 31, 2015

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    Or about to be re-listed without the Rolex tags?
     
  9. Kringkily Omega Collector / Hunter Jan 31, 2015

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    The bezel is wrong as it should be the base 1000 and the hands are replacement aged filled lume. Both stated in ad. It was priced fair for what was presented but the dial lume I am not sure if all original but have to see more of as I would believe the radium to have been more of a brown color.
     
  10. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Jan 31, 2015

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    Regarding the movement, my concern is related to the shape of the adjustment index as it indicates that newer 321 parts have been used. See the photos attached. One photo, from Moonwatch Only, page 42, show how the adjustment index and it's scale changed starting with ref 105.002. The other photo is the 2915-3 which index and scale match the much newer 105.002 and after watches.

    Look at the movements from a ref 2998, it will have the black dagger index and a copper colored scale. Look again at a ref 105.012, it has the newer grey lozenge shaped index and a black colored scale. This 2915-3 matches up with the index and scale from the 105.012.
     
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  11. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jan 31, 2015

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    Ah yes, thanks.....I was concentrating on the asymmetric bridge.

    It seems to be one of those watches that the more I look the more I see wrong, and the less attractive I find it.

    I had a feeling right off the bat it was wrong, nice to have the hard facts to see my hunch was correct.

    By the way when I say wrong, it's still mostly a 2915, and there isn't much choice if you want one.
     
  12. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 31, 2015

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    The OP watch has an appropriate index, it is the correct shape. The color is not black, the black is an artifact of light reflection. Mine Change back and forth from black to silver depending on the viewing angle.
     
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  13. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Jan 31, 2015

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    The eBay watch
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  14. Davidt Feb 1, 2015

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    The adjuster looks correct to me, as is the bridge.

    There are a few things incorrect on this watch but in my opinion, the movement doesn't appear to be one of them.
     
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  15. speedyfan Feb 1, 2015

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    Thought I would throw this out for consideration, most has already been said.

    Hands:
    On the left is the watch in question, the one on the right is the 57’ reissue. As you can see the main hand(s) size and shape look identical except for color (relume?).
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    From another thread you can see the differences between the size and shape of the original an re-issue hands. http://omegaforums.net/threads/help-with-speedmaster-2915-hands-please.10306/
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    The Sub-Dial hands appear to be correct on the ebay watch, painted white and slightly shorter than the silver color re-issue. The re-issue subdial hands reach almost to the edge of the dial and the original 2915-3 sub dial hands appear to be slightly shorter.

    Dial:
    The dial on the ebay watch seems to have the correct font with an Oval “O” on Omega vs the round “O” on the later dials. (See Pic Above)
    The dial to me however appears to be re-lumed, it is puffier and a different color (not as red) as other radium dials and matches the “probably replaced” hands.

    Bezel:
    The dot next to 90 bezel is clearly wrong, it should have a base 1000.
    I was under the impression that the early 2915-3 watches with broad arrow hands came with the silver base 1000 bezel and looked identical to a 2915-1/2 and the transitional models with alpha hands came with the black base 1000.

    Movement:
    The movement serial looks ok and the movement holder on the 2915-3 seems to be unique from other speed masters and have these two holes in it.
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    Price? No idea today but as others have said try to buy any 2915 on the open market right now. Can you even find one, if so, an original one?
    Overall some decent bones but wrong hands, bezel and a re-lumed dial. How much will that cost to fix and can you even find the hands and bezel?

    The watch in question is not mine but the one below is, for comparison purposes. its a couple hundred numbers younger than the one in question. Yes mine is missing its silver rehaut, soon to be fixed. (excuse the hairy arm).
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  16. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Feb 1, 2015

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    Thank you for this well thought out post.

    2915-3's are a step in value and specification between 2915-1&2 and 2988-1.

    If you want one it's very hard to find one in any condition.

    I also would support the idea that BA hands go with a metal bezel. Though I must be the first to admit I know very little about this reference.

    Doesn't stop me trying though......
     
  17. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Feb 1, 2015

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    Yes - black polish does not actually make the item black, just appear black in certain light. It is just very well polished, not black in colour.

    The index shape is the key, not the apparent colour, and this one looks fine.

    Cheers, Al
     
  18. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Feb 1, 2015

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    as someone who wanted one, this is how I had to start: image.jpg
     
  19. cristos71 Feb 1, 2015

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    That´s what I call commitment and dedication! :thumbsup:
     
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  20. speedycamau Feb 1, 2015

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    speedyfan... such a great post