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Speedmaster 145.022-69: What am I missing?

  1. efauser

    efauser I ♥ karma!!! Apr 25, 2015

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    I'm looking at this Speedmaster and it looks good but maybe too good. The seller is asking $3500.00, which according to Speedmaster 101, is not unreasonable assuming the watch's condition is what it appears. Feedback will help continue my education.
    Speedy Dial.jpg speedy caseback.jpg Speedy movement.jpg Speedy back.jpg
     
  2. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 25, 2015

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    Its got a service dial

    That makes it v. expensive.

    Those photos are not easy to use as assessment tools - but you can still see the lack of T marks on dial.

    Should have a transitional dial, with the applied metal logo.
     
  3. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 25, 2015

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    (because of the 26m serial)
     
  4. gemini4

    gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed Apr 25, 2015

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    Wow. It has a great DON bezel but, IMHO,

    The chrono hand is wrong
    The dial is a service replacement
    And the 861 movement number is one the earliest introduced but it should be on a 145.022-68.....not a 1969
     
  5. oddboy

    oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Apr 25, 2015

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    So is it a contemporary service dial that's been aged?

    Edit: n/m, I meant the 2998 at sotheby's..
     
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  6. efauser

    efauser I ♥ karma!!! Apr 25, 2015

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    Are you saying that's an earlier movement put in a later case?
     
  7. gemini4

    gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed Apr 25, 2015

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    Probably just used a different caseback. Hard to say how. Might have been switched during a service
     
  8. Tjmmartin

    Tjmmartin Apr 25, 2015

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    I'm looking for a 145.022 and rightly or wrongly would pass on this very quickly because of dial, hands and lack of patina ( on photos above ). I would have looked at serial number and thought it was about right but would not have figured out the implications of the number regarding applied logo etc as per Spacefruit and Gemini4s observations.
     
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  9. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 25, 2015

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  10. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 25, 2015

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    I'd be passing, chasing down a dial and hand set is one thing for a 321 but for that watch its hard to justify
     
  11. gemini4

    gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed Apr 25, 2015

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    I agree. Just buy the bezel :)
     
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  12. efauser

    efauser I ♥ karma!!! Apr 25, 2015

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    I was looking at that after reading your earlier post. Didn't think it was a transitional, because of the dial but the movement says otherwise, I guess. Thanks for the lesson.
     
  13. Tjmmartin

    Tjmmartin Apr 25, 2015

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    No rationale to this comment but I think I would have picked up a high serial number in a watch with applied logo, long indices etc but for some inexplicable reason a lower serial number in a watch with painted logo and short indices etc wouldn't have registered. Guess it's better that way round!
     
  14. gemini4

    gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed Apr 25, 2015

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    We are actually talking about 3 different dials.

    The stepped dial, with applied logo, T SWISS T, that a movement number of 26xxx should have.
    The stepped dial, with painted logo, T SWISS T, that a proper 145.022-69 should have.
    The modern flat, SWISS, service dial replacement, which this watch has.

    Hope that's not too confusing. Go to www.speedmaster101.com if it is.
     
  15. gemini4

    gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed Apr 25, 2015

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  16. Tjmmartin

    Tjmmartin Apr 25, 2015

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    Thanks Gemini4....I've been watching from day 1! Do you think hands and indices have slightly different lume? Will be interesting to see what it goes for. Having recently contributed to healthy eBay prices I may need a little longer to recover financially!
     
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  17. gemini4

    gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed Apr 25, 2015

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    I'm not a lume expert but it appears that the hands, which are original, have lost their lume.
    The dial looks rather nice and I don't believe it's is relumed.
     
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  18. Civic4982

    Civic4982 Apr 25, 2015

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    Great insight in here. I'm shopping too and learning. Thanks!
     
  19. Varnado

    Varnado Apr 25, 2015

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    If you contact the seller (like I did) and read the item description (like I did) you will also find that the DON bezel is not included in the sale only a DNN bezel, making this a 100% PASS.
     
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  20. Tjmmartin

    Tjmmartin Apr 26, 2015

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    Where is it for sale? I have alerts set up on watchrecon, ebay, chrono24, google etc and don't remember seeing it, however I if it looks like it does and the description says it doesn't include the DON then I may have dismissed it so quickly it didn't register! ( I do have problems however with my ebay alert because despite checking "worldwide" it seems to omit Canada and some others )