Speed 145.012: Fair buy?

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Hi there,
on my first post this year I will try to do my best to describe this Speedmaster I aquired. For me as someone that wears his watches regularly, I always look for watches with a nica patina where additional scratches do not matter much. I think this is such an example:

Movement:
26xxxxxx serial should match the 145.012 range

Dial:
stepped dial with applied logo, lume in yellow-brown applied in a very thick and unprecise manner, at 7 marker partly coming off.

Case:
retaining most part of its original brushing, with dings all around, edges pretty sharp

Hands:
seem correct to me, with lume darkened and a little corrosion on the second tip

Pushers/crown:
pushers and crown with even wear, crown with 32 notches replacement or late original?

Bezel:
DON bezel with a few imperfections

Caseback:
no step, hypocampus with even wear, 145.012-67 marked, puple stamp: 1E

Crystal:
scratched with centered logo

Bracelet:
1039/516 marked 2/68. One endpiece is marked 47

To me the appearance is wearable and attractive, watch should be from 1968 production I guess. Although the lume is applied in a very rough manner: could be an old relume? Or did Omega have series with shaky application like that?!

One endpiece is numbered with a 47 which surely does not belong to this bracelet. No idea where 47 belongs to, but maybe someone has a 516 to trade in? Clasp and the rest is doing fine...

I would consider this watch as FAIR and in wearable condition.

Now, let me get your opinion, especially on:

-the lume
-the purple stamp inside the backcover
-crown

Since there is no extract to it, do you think the parts are cohesistant?

Best,

caselock




I will try to post more pics later since my pc does not allow another one....sorry!
 
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Hi,
Great first post, welcome here on OF, and congrat for this really vintage speed, I love 145.012. I love speed when they are "real" moonwatches... 😁
What do you mean by the "purple stamp"?
Case seems not bad, sides and lugs pics would help to judge it.
Crown could be original... or not... not necessarly very coherent with the chrono hand. With this hand (but depending on the serial I don't know), a flat feet should be expected.
The lume... that's another cake... Cannot say anything about it, did you made a light test in the dark?
Don't know if it is a "specific" aging in very strange conditions (doubts about that) or a degradation of a relume. That's..... odd...

Don't hope too much for a 516/47 trade... 😗
But I like it like this... hard life, pro watch, history behind... 👍
 
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Welcome to OF!
Befobe hit most of it already.

Purple stamp is a watchmakers mark left during a service.
Crown is service replacement.
Case looks pretty nice, one lug looks weird but probably the angle of the photo? (Top L in the movement shot)
Flaky lume let’s the dial down a bit but looks like a good wearable watch to me.

The lume almost looks like water intrusion or moisture but movement and case lip looks okay so not sure.
 
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Caliber clean, case seems good as you said. Good points. Serial is in the "middle" range, ok for a 145.012, but I still think the crown should be a flat feet one.
Not sure about your 1039: normally, you should count 8 flat links on each side.
 
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The lume almost looks like water intrusion or moisture but movement and case lip looks okay so not sure.
Did not think about that issue... 👍
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befobe, 140dave, thanks for your input!

The caselugs are symetric and good, indeed it looks strange on the mvt shot. Probably the lightning?

In the MO book it states that these 32n crowns are either replacemants or maybe factory installed? From a aesthetic point of view I like these 32n crowns because they look a bit like on the military Lemania HS9 of the British Navy. Gives it a more vintage look of the 40/50ies. But in respect of originality, I probably should change it.

Where does the 47 endlink belongs to?
 
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The crown is certainly a service replacement. The case looks decent. The lume I find unattractive but I’d be confident it’s original.

Overall on the sp101 chart, I think fair is being a bit harsh on this watch. Imo the dial is stopping it being good but I’d say it’s fair to good.

The 516 endlink will be a nightmare to find unfortunately
 
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Where does the 47 endlink belongs to?

47 is for the 1175 bracelet and maybe others as well. It has some value just not as much as a 516.
 
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The crown is certainly a service replacement. The case looks decent. The lume I find unattractive but I’d be confident it’s original.

Overall on the sp101 chart, I think fair is being a bit harsh on this watch. Imo the dial is stopping it being good but I’d say it’s fair to good.

The 516 endlink will be a nightmare to find unfortunately

Ok, so better than I expected....
 
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47 is for the 1175 bracelet and maybe others as well. It has some value just not as much as a 516.

I see it will stay on this watch probably....
 
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Looking on my pics more closely, I wonder wether this lever always has 45° slope towards the outer part of the case: to make room to the inner caseback?

 
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I think it is going to come down to how ok you are with the dial / lume plots. They're likely original, but less than ideal. Keeping it is one thing, but if you were to try to move it, it maybe more difficult trying to convince the next buyer.
 
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I see it will stay on this watch probably....

There are 2 single 516 end links on ebay at the moment from the US, expensive maybe but not to many around i think, and one pair on Chrono24.
 
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There are 2 single 516 end links on ebay at the moment from the US, expensive maybe but not to many around i think, and one pair on Chrono24.
Thanks for the hint, I will check those...hope the best!
 
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Hi,
Great first post, welcome here on OF, and congrat for this really vintage speed, I love 145.012. I love speed when they are "real" moonwatches... 😁
What do you mean by the "purple stamp"?
Case seems not bad, sides and lugs pics would help to judge it.
Crown could be original... or not... not necessarly very coherent with the chrono hand. With this hand (but depending on the serial I don't know), a flat feet should be expected.
The lume... that's another cake... Cannot say anything about it, did you made a light test in the dark?
Don't know if it is a "specific" aging in very strange conditions (doubts about that) or a degradation of a relume. That's..... odd...

Don't hope too much for a 516/47 trade... 😗
But I like it like this... hard life, pro watch, history behind... 👍

Did a light test last night: glows for a couple minutes after strang light expouse, but faints away to almost nothing. Think ist Tritium. Without lightexposure it remains pitch dark...
 
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Hi,
as a little update: I sourced another singel 516 endlink, so the bracelet is complete:

 
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Congrats. Are you going to give the crystal a polish to get a proper look at the dial?
 
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I'd agree with Davidt's assessment of fair to good. The lume is not attractive to my eyes, but the 1039 with the correct 516 end links is very nice and, after all, it IS a 145.012, one of the three references that was on the moon. So that puts it in a special group of Speedmasters despite not being in the best of condition.
 
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Congrats. Are you going to give the crystal a polish to get a proper look at the dial?

Yes, a polish would improve the visability of the dial, but maybe will also make the flaws of the lume more visible. I should give it a try...