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  1. jhross98 Sep 10, 2018

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  2. rcs914 Sep 10, 2018

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    There is an awful lot wrong with that watch... wrong bracelet, wrong chrono hand, wrong pushers, case polished to death... and I bet it still will sell for a large sum of money.
     
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  3. repoman Sep 10, 2018

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    These watches are rare, and getting one that is all correct is borderline impossible. As @rcs914 said, this one comes with the usual assortment of issues; chrono hand and bracelet are fixable, but the pushers are impossible to source. I like how the advertisement says "This treasured Speedmaster accommodates a set of larger 5.5 mm pushers"... wow, that's a clever (i.e. deceptive) way of saying "pushers are 5mm replacements". Buying one of these without an Extract of the Archives is foolish. Sotheby's won't correct the listing, they already know the watch has problems, and some unsuspecting buyer will pay $35,000 USD for it. Caveat emptor.
     
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  4. ck2503 Sep 11, 2018

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    Well, the Apollo-Soyuz model had indeed 5.5mm pushers unlike the ordinary 145.022, which had standard 5mm pushers, and the case has been modified to accomodate the larger pushers, so what they say is correct for this rference.
     
  5. padders Oooo subtitles! Sep 11, 2018

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    At least this one has a serial that is plausible if not backed up by an extract.

    Are you not missing the point rather in that this particular one no longer has the 5.5mm pushers?
     
  6. stefman Sep 11, 2018

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    Wether it’s a rare watch or not, I’m bewildered to see that someone would butcher a watch in such a manner. Even sadder when it’s a unicorn like this one.
     
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  7. ck2503 Sep 11, 2018

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    Sorry, I'm missing the point then. I understood that this one had 5.5mm pushers (I cannot see the condition report since I'm not registered).
     
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  8. rcs914 Sep 11, 2018

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    I think one of them is correct - the top pusher is definitely larger than the bottom pusher.
     
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  9. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Sep 11, 2018

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    Title should read Apollo-Soyuz Speedie at Sothebys ... Soyuz refers to the space capsule itself, which have been offered in the past :D
     
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  10. repoman Sep 11, 2018

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    Using my completely scientific method of enlarging the photo, and measuring both pushers on my screen, they are the same size, and I'm pretty sure they are both 5.0mm. WTH, I'll ask Sotheby's to measure them, fwiw.
     
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  11. Tubber Sep 25, 2018

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    Sold for £27,500. Presume that's the hammer price?
     
  12. Speedmasterfan88 Sep 25, 2018

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    Is it just me or is the resolution of the images comically bad?! They can’t be serious, iirc correctly it was not like that when I swung by their homepage in the past.

    This is what I get when when I push the „image zoom“ on mobile:

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    Hammer Price does not surprise me at all.... and I wouldn’t be surprised if we see this one with a correct bracelet and Chrono Hand and a bit sharper edges in the near future again at auction....
     
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  13. aprax Sep 26, 2018

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    Published results include the premium. Hammer price: £22,000.
     
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  14. Apollo-Soyuz Nov 13, 2018

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    Omega, with this archive extract, proves once again to know only the date of the movement. Omega knows little and nothing about APOLLO SOYUZ; does not specify anything and will never be able to explain and / or specify:

    • because some models "correct for Omega" have 5 mm pushers
    • The number engraved on the back of the box
    • If the case is correct (including this, just sold!)

    To this abused Apollo Soyuz was added an ACP strap and a lancet stolen from a Lorus ... Personally I consider the "Apollo-Soyuz out of batch" sold on Ebay last August is more interesting and above all more beautiful of this.

    And then ... I wonder why Sotheby's writes that "the Apollo Soyuz watches are a limited Omega series consisting of 400 pieces"
    Perhaps OMEGA has corrected official communications?

    Omega, for this specific model of watches OMEGA is not making a good figure and every time it proves it more and more

    last update:
    • Antiquorum - LOT 247 - Hotel Noga Hilton, Geneva, 24th April 2004 M.No. 30.069.600 (€ 7.374,94)
    • Antiquorum - LOT 234 - Geneva, Mandarin Oriental Hotel Du Rhône, 15 April 2007 M.No. 45.585.460 – caseback N.095 (€ 32.243,9)
    • Antiquorum - LOT 19 - Geneva, Mandarin Oriental Hotel Du Rhône, 15 April 2007 M.No. 39.927.934 (€ 22.167,7)
    • Sotheby’s - LOT 72 - New York, , 20Oct 2009 M.No ? – caseback N.? (€ ? )
    • Antiquorum - LOT 367 - Geneva, 8 May 2010, M.No. 39.181.098 – caseback n.209 (€ 24.592,8)
    • CHRISTIE’S - LOT 28 - New York, , 15 Dec 2015, M.No. 39.181.098 – caseback n.209 (€ 33.055)
    • Ebay - 15 July 2018, M.No. 30.588.398 – caseback n.286 (€ 30.397,09)
    • Ebay/XUPES - London, 18 Ago 2018, M.No. 30.588.398 – caseback n.286 (€ 51.453,71)
    • Sotheby’s - LOT 10 -, 25 Sep 2018, M.No 39.181.251 - caseback n.342 (€ 30.753)
     
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  15. padders Oooo subtitles! Nov 13, 2018

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    Still trying to muddy the water to make the lack of established authenticity of your own less of an issue? Go for it. Who knows, with the hoo hah surrounding extracts at present, shout loud enough and maybe you'll get it made official some day.
     
  16. MaiLollo Nov 13, 2018

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    Reminds me of the thread that said something along the lines of "a shame we mostly focus on prices today"
     
  17. Apollo-Soyuz Nov 13, 2018

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    wrong, I do not put mud on anything!
    I simply limit myself to highlighting the reality of the facts. With all the shadows surrounding the production of this watch, is it right for you that OMEGA certifies that this Apollo-Soyuz is authentic?

    you have always maintained that, in addition to movement, it is important to consider other aspects, such as:

    -size of the puscher
    -type of incision on the caseback
    -the bracelet
    etc ...

    have you changed your mind by chance?
    the only solution is that OMEGA make a census related to the Apollo-Soyuz. Only in this way will we be able to solve this old story in the right way.
    but OMEGA will never do it ...
     
  18. padders Oooo subtitles! Nov 13, 2018

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    No I don't think I have changed my mind at all. If Omega are prepared to issue an extract saying a watch was one of the original Apollo-Soyuz releases then that is good enough for me. The condition and originality of the watch and subsequent changes to it are of course materially important and affect the value greatly, but the key thing is, the reverse isn't true. I don't think you can shove a load of correct bits together and call it a legitimate A-S because without Omega's blessing it just isn't...
     
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  19. Apollo-Soyuz Nov 13, 2018

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    For you it is OK that OMEGA releases the certificate of authenticity on a so controversial Apollo Soyuz and you do not ask questions about the existence of Apollo Soyuz out of his reach. Strange!
    Now the opposite is already reality; the collectors have finally understood and now they buy this Omega model even if it does not belong to the range officialized by OMEGA.
    you can not hide the results of the auctions.

    I do not need to prove that mine or other Apollo-Soyuz watches are authentic. I do not want to convince neither you nor OMEGA because, for this specific model, OMEGA has very little information about it and consequently "the blessing" I prefer to ask who knows the truth and not who hides this or does not know the story
     
  20. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Nov 13, 2018

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    Let’s be honest here, this is another questionable extract for an auction house.

    Why is there no bracelet notation for this watch. They all came on a specific bracelet.

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