Soccer timer with purple snot. Dial looks a little different, no "T's" and no "Seamaster", Swiss Made is in different location. Mod's, we better move to Vintage discussion instead of recommended, Thanks http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-OMEGA-...CAL-861-/161154366612?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network
Beautiful, but wrong bracelet, maybe a service dial, hands appear more aged than dial, Is this the world's most beautiful Franken?
I'm not sure, I first listed this on "recommended" because I thought it was all good. The bracelet should be an 1170/625 but that easily could be a dealer switch. (I love the bracelet they used) But........that dial, I own an original 145.020 and have seen a bunch. The "swiss made" has always been by the tachy ring, often partially obscured. Shouldn't lumed dials from about 1970 always have the "T's"? Also, the only dial I've seen without "Seamaster" was a service dial, which is what got me to thinking. If it is a franken, I'd love to know where he got that case!
Well I had a similar question with this: http://omegaforums.net/threads/opinions-on-my-nos-soccer-please.7851/ i I didn't settle on an opinion yet. however one concept has risen to the top of my consciousness. That is, a NOS watch should have all it's paperwork and box, surely? why would it not? At least something, an omega bag, even an internal packaging. But nothing? I just don't think a genuine NOS comes with nothing. mine did not, and more and more I feel it is assembled. Still lovely, but assembled outside the factory.
I think its just an assembled watch using NOS parts and an old movement, you can see the movement screws are well used I've seen these NOS dial before and I dont like the way it doesnt have Seamaster written on it, just seems like its not complete without it
NOS parts for this ref have been available on eBAY from a seller in Australia. I'm with pascs on this. Quite likely that this has been assembled from NOS parts.
Maybe I'm wrong but not for the first time I see an auctiontext including the term "NOS condition", while it should read "NOS" only. To me this this sounds a little like "it is like NOS". I feel that sellers who use that term are wrong in doing so, as "like new old stock" is meaningless, but maybe they think it is clever to do so. What do you think?
It is word manipulation. NOS means NOS & it should come with original papers as those would be part of the issued but unsold stock from the factory. As far as I'm concerned "Like NOS" means " I wish I could say it's NOS but I can't" and "NOS Condition" means "It isn't NOS & there's something I'm trying to avoid saying".
Who's the judge of what's "like" mint, or "like" new old stock? That's an easy one to answer: the buyer. There's not a damn thing we can do to change seller semantics except protect the n00bs in our little ΩF family from getting taken. If there's money involved in a certain area, there will be shenanigans. To me, a complete watch is NOS when it comes with all the trimmings - like this: That's New Old Stock - a dealer's stock sitting around unsold for years, even with the hangtags. Otherwise it should be described as "restored with leftover new parts" or something similar.
Here is the service dial which is the same as the one in the original ebay sale. I dont know why Omega would manufacture this without 'Seamaster', seems a very odd thing to do. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Omega-Seama...208?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item485d457c50Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network
Yea its a bit of a weird thing, my best guess is later on it was a bit weird that these things were really called Seamasters when really they have almost no water resistance at all.