Snail dial 5699 (or 23086) just sold (-edit- The 5699/23086 thread)

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这个表盘、机芯和表壳都非常吸引人,但它们被错误地组合在一起。

我猜以上翻译过来就是:
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表盘、机芯和表壳都非常吸引人,但它们放在一起不正确。
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请下次用英文写。英语也不是我的母语,但它是默认语言。
是的,Mark020 表示它被披露带有不正确的表盘和机芯。

虽然考虑到所有因素,但落槌价还不错。如果你把它看作是它各个部分的总和......
I'm very sorry. Yes, this is a mistake I made when inputting.

You have completely expressed my opinion on this watch. Thank you!
 
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Very strong price IMHO
 
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Question: Could a 5699 have left the factory with a caseback order number that didn't match the lug number?

Here is a watch that was supposedly an original owner with an extract that has a lug number different (although close) to the caseback number.



My intent is not to question the authenticity of this watch, but to ask if it is possible that other watches with non-matching numbers could be factory correct?
 
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This is an interesting question. I recorded 62 examples. Of these 62 from 19 examples I don't know the complete data. From the remaining 43 8 have mismatching casebacks. 1) this seems a lot 2) it is hard to comprehend Longines did this at the factory. I still think that most of these were sold in batches to the military/airlines and serviced inhouse with the watchmakers not bothering to much about matching the numbers.
 
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This is an interesting question. I recorded 62 examples. Of these 62 from 19 examples I don't know the complete data. From the remaining 43 8 have mismatching casebacks. 1) this seems a lot 2) it is hard to comprehend Longines did this at the factory. I still think that most of these were sold in batches to the military/airlines and serviced inhouse with the watchmakers not bothering to much about matching the numbers.

That is a high percentage out of the group, which indicates there could be a similar cause. Your suggestion of being switched by watchmakers at service makes sense. (Thanks for collecting this data).

Another possibility is the one we often fear and assume, that the mismatches are Franken watches. Given the high monetary value, it's possible that a large percentage of the group could have been put together by people trying to deceive. But this assumes that there were alot of watch cases, casebacks and other parts available for assembly. Given the low numbers of survivors, would there actually be that many pieces laying about to be put together? Seems unlikely.

So your suggestion that these were swapped at service seems the most likely, particularly if the watches were owned by a group that shared a watchmaker.

So this raises another question, how do we collectors feel about a mismatched caseback, assuming that the other components are correct? I personally am more willing now to own a mismatch numbered watch if the watch has a history of being used and serviced and swapped in period. It'd be better to have matching numbers, but it isn't as bad as a put together watch, assuming your explanation is true.

Thanks for your thoughts, which are the results of years of passionate observation and work. I have my eye on a watch, and you've given me an excuse to pursue it.
 
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The one in the Longines museum is mismatched so if they can live with it...
 
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This is an interesting question. I recorded 62 examples. Of these 62 from 19 examples I don't know the complete data. From the remaining 43 8 have mismatching casebacks. 1) this seems a lot 2) it is hard to comprehend Longines did this at the factory. I still think that most of these were sold in batches to the military/airlines and serviced inhouse with the watchmakers not bothering to much about matching the numbers.
You always amaze me with your archives... 😀
 
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89k wow. Second thought: seller may qualify as a charity so this price is perhaps best not used as a fully valid data point
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