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pdxleaf
··"I cut it TWICE and it's still short!"It'll make a nice Avatar 👍
Seamaster chronograph cal. 321
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Big_G
·Thanks for all of the help guy s and happy holidays/new year!
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flqt-9000
·You’re right. Maybe my expectations are too high but one should be able to rely on a seller’s expertise without researching every little thing about a product. Also, these are unique one of a kind products that are gone forever if you delay too long on the purchase.
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Big_G
·In my experience much of the sellers are only sellers and not experts.. This does not mean that you cannot find your grail from one of them. Any purchase of a vintage watch requires patience and a lot of research.
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M'Bob
·Does anyone have any idea what BOR bracelet and end-links combo would be correct for the watch in question?
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nicks
·Great thread; nice to see a deep dive into movement variants.
Beautiful watch, that’s for sure.
Beautiful watch, that’s for sure.
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pdxleaf
··"I cut it TWICE and it's still short!"Does anyone have any idea what BOR bracelet and end-links combo would be correct for the watch in question?
I don't know about this reference. But FWIW this is what is on my 105.004, which is close (it's supposed to be original to this 105.004 watch.) The endlinks don't have a visible number (maybe inside). The beads are pretty small, at least smaller than other BOR i was able to compare to. But, this is a big assumption that they used the same bracelet on the OPs.
Happy hunting.
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Big_G
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Is there an article online that discusses Roger’s reference points for legit dials? I’d like to read it.
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·Watch landed and looks good, but some potential issues. I’m pretty sure it’s non-hacking, but the minute hand continues to move with the crown pulled out which I do not think is correct if this was serviced. He also said everything n the watch was original including the signed crown, but I don’t see any Omega symbol on this crystal. Photos coming, but I’m already thinking of returning it.
Interesting read. You seem an impulse person. Overjoyed and underwhelmed the next.... Just a few thoughts: you named the seller in the beginning. Asked for advice before you bought. Without having much knowledge about the chrono. All Original can be 100% as it left the Factory. That chance after all these years is miniscule. It can also mean, that all parts are from Omega. You don't know. The seller does not know. Nobody knows. Can be a case from Argentina, a mvmt. from a damaged same reference chrono, hands from Turkey, dial from the UK..... Still comes up as the correct reference.... Posting your every thought process here is a good read, but you should spare a thought for the seller as well.. reputations are hard earned and easily destroyed. Especially at a place like OF. Destroyed because your knowledge was not up to scratch. Signed omega crystal? No. Then the next minute: yes. I could not find it; my bad .... Wrong crown: I might return the Omega. Not 100% original .... So, you rather have the 60 year old crown with a non existing crown seal ? That lets your sweat in and fogs up the crystal from the inside? And you get more "freckles" on the dial ? Everything vintage will have these problems. As long as worn parts are replaced by factory service parts, it will do the deed. Or you go the other route and have the crown seal replaced and so on..... That's what many do here. And last: public airings are the norm, but after a few replies you might better use personal message to get further into the subject , you don't know enough of . Before you tarnish the sellers reputation. And servicing a calibre 321 does not cost 1000 to 2000 $$$$. Unless you quoted Hongkong/Australian/New Zealand/Singapore $$$$. Enjoy your Omega Chrono. The Pain of Payment is compensated by the Joy of looking at your watch.
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M'Bob
·I don't know about this reference. But FWIW this is what is on my 105.004, which is close (it's supposed to be original to this 105.004 watch.) The endlinks don't have a visible number (maybe inside). The beads are pretty small, at least smaller than other BOR i was able to compare to. But, this is a big assumption that they used the same bracelet on the OPs.
Happy hunting.
Many thanks.
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Big_G
·Interesting read. You seem an impulse person. Overjoyed and underwhelmed the next.... Just a few thoughts: you named the seller in the beginning. Asked for advice before you bought. Without having much knowledge about the chrono. All Original can be 100% as it left the Factory. That chance after all these years is miniscule. It can also mean, that all parts are from Omega. You don't know. The seller does not know. Nobody knows. Can be a case from Argentina, a mvmt. from a damaged same reference chrono, hands from Turkey, dial from the UK..... Still comes up as the correct reference.... Posting your every thought process here is a good read, but you should spare a thought for the seller as well.. reputations are hard earned and easily destroyed. Especially at a place like OF. Destroyed because your knowledge was not up to scratch. Signed omega crystal? No. Then the next minute: yes. I could not find it; my bad .... Wrong crown: I might return the Omega. Not 100% original .... So, you rather have the 60 year old crown with a non existing crown seal ? That lets your sweat in and fogs up the crystal from the inside? And you get more "freckles" on the dial ? Everything vintage will have these problems. As long as worn parts are replaced by factory service parts, it will do the deed. Or you go the other route and have the crown seal replaced and so on..... That's what many do here. And last: public airings are the norm, but after a few replies you might better use personal message to get further into the subject , you don't know enough of . Before you tarnish the sellers reputation. And servicing a calibre 321 does not cost 1000 to 2000 $$$$. Unless you quoted Hongkong/Australian/New Zealand/Singapore $$$$. Enjoy your Omega Chrono. The Pain of Payment is compensated by the Joy of looking at your watch.
The word original has one meaning as in origin, first. Therefore, original to the watch means parts from when that watch was manufactured. The right word to use for an Omega replacement part would be authentic, not original. The seller communicated to me that all parts were original to that watch. If you read the thread carefully, you would know that. All I did was post his claim on the forum. I do agree that no one could know that, and found it surprising he would claim that as it is extremely unlikely. When others seemed confident the crown wasn’t original I became skeptical of the seller’s honesty, which is a natural reaction.
I admit I am not an expert in vintage Omegas, which is why I created the thread. My intention was to gather information and also post my experience of the purchase, which is what I did. Some of my observations regarding the watch were incorrect and I stated that as well as saying the seller was correct about those issues. There was no hidden agenda to smear the seller’s reputation. My posts were an accurate representation of my buying experience.
If both you and I know that original parts on this watch are highly unlikely, then the seller knows that too and shouldn’t have stated it. Period. The way I look at it is that a seller makes money selling watches and has a responsibility to know their products. I get that these are vintage items with many unknowns, but my whole point was that a seller should state that they do not know. If a seller cannot backup their statement, then they shouldn’t claim it. So the way I look at it is that the seller has potentially damaged his own reputation based on his statements. All I did was relay them to the forum, which is what this forum is or should be all about. He could have easily said that the watch might have authentic Omega replacement crown and crystal and sold the watch for the same price as everyone in the thread seemed to believe a replacement crown was no biggie as these are common service parts.
Also, I was quoted $1000 USD for a 321 service. I admit my watchmaker is expensive but good with a 2 year warranty. If you know a great watchmaker that can service for much less, please share it for the readers
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pete26
·Congratulations, I believe Daniel Craig wore one in the final scene in Spectre when he drives away in the Aston Martin. His is from 1968, his birth year and was a gift from Omega.
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Big_G
·So I saw this Seamaster Cal. 321 on Goodwill auction. Went for over $4k, no dealer markup, just pure market demand. Much worse shape than the one I bought and I assume not serviced although the movement looks clean. Just posting because there were many who thought these could be had for much less but I don’t think that’s true and hasn’t been for years.
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alvaropm
·Pushers, crown and all appears correct in this model.
Calibre is clean and copper colour is correct on bridges.
Very good looking watch.
The price is around 4K with out papers and box.
In Spain I bought a 320 solid Gold bi compass in 3000€.
Good luck Mate!!
Calibre is clean and copper colour is correct on bridges.
Very good looking watch.
The price is around 4K with out papers and box.
In Spain I bought a 320 solid Gold bi compass in 3000€.
Good luck Mate!!
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Big_G
·Not looking,
Not looking as I recently purchased one. Just posted this one for comparative price. I believe the crown on this one may not be original as looks the same as the one on mine and the consensus was that it wasn’t original. Personally, I’m not sure which crowns were original to Seamasters vs. Speedmasters.
Pushers, crown and all appears correct in this model.
Calibre is clean and copper colour is correct on bridges.
Very good looking watch.
The price is around 4K with out papers and box.
In Spain I bought a 320 solid Gold bi compass in 3000€.
Good luck Mate!!
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skand
·The price hurts only at first, then you forget and enjoy the beauty of these watches. How much can 105.001-62 and 105.004-64 cost now? If they are more expensive than I paid, I will like them even more.
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Big_G
·The price hurts only at first, then you forget and enjoy the beauty of these watches. How much can 105.001-62 and 105.004-64 cost now? If they are more expensive than I paid, I will like them even more.
The crowns on yours also look like the one on mine. Do you know if the crowns on yours are original or service crowns?
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JetLinks
·As the owner of a 105.005 myself, I had to check out the Jimmy Bond clip. It's a bit blurry and he's rocking a leather strap
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