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  1. vinny Oct 5, 2019

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    Hi all,
    I'm looking to pull the trigger on this one but would like some reassurance from you due to my knowledge still lacking.

    Do you believe the dial is original or repainted?
    Been told it's approx 1967 and the crystal has been replaced with Sternkreuz crystal.
    Price is currently at £800 Clipboard01.jpg 600_12540534m_xxl_v1569922331657.jpg Seamaster-600_12540534e_xxl_v1569922315946.jpg Seamaster-600_12540534l_xxl_v1569922328865.jpg
    Thank you in advance
     
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  2. Shabbaz Oct 6, 2019

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    I would say that's a well executed redial. It looks like the swiss made touches the marker. And the font and text looks a bit off as well.
     
  3. Verdi Oct 6, 2019

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    I think it is all original dial and case looks good also.
    Lume plots are all in place and all aged. I see nothing wrong with any markings. The swiss at 6 marker sometimes looks like it is touching but it doesnt. It is the angle.
    Plexi non Omega is no problem imo.

    800£ is on the high side. If you like it a lot....try get it for 600.
    Was it serviced recently?
     
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  4. Benbradstock Oct 6, 2019

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    Although I’m always concerned about vintage black dial Omegas, especially when the finish is in such good shape, this one looks legit in my eyes.
     
  5. Shabbaz Oct 6, 2019

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  6. Shabbaz Oct 6, 2019

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    Some inzooming
     
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  7. Verdi Oct 6, 2019

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    It is true that many black dial Omegas are “doctored” but in this case nothing stands out as an obvious redial.

    Hard to say without inspecting the watch. I tend to think it is a good one.....but lets see what others say.
     
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  8. S.H. Oct 6, 2019

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    I'd say it is good but I'm not 100% sure without handling the watch myself, or high-res pictures. If it is a redial it is a good one, the lume plots are very believable. There may be an inconsistency between the white tick marks and the 20 minutes index, or is it the picture angle?

    An OEM crystal would be easy to source.
     
  9. tdn-dk Oct 6, 2019

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    Notice, this ref. 135.012 is very small about 32-33 mm.
    The price seems very high.

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  10. stahlmotte Oct 6, 2019

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    I think the price is a little bit to high, otherwise it is an fine 601 Omega caliber. The dial could
    be original. I think so, but i am not 100% sure.
     
  11. Edward53 Oct 6, 2019

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    That was also my first impression but this is a very difficult one. The spacing looks wrong between O and M of Omega and S and e of Seamaster, likewise the 600 seems a bit cramped, the text of Seamaster looks just a bit off and the black finish looks very matt. We know that dials were supplied by various contractors and there were sometimes minor variations, but for me there is too much room for doubt.
     
  12. vinny Oct 6, 2019

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    Wow, you have a great eagle eye, I see what you mean about the distance between O and M, although could be the photo as one of those in the link you provided also has similar small gap.
    Wish I could find an image of an old catalog of these from 1967
     
  13. vinny Oct 6, 2019

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    They say it was fully serviced in-house few weeks ago, and explained what was done as the following:
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    - We put a new Sternkreuz crystal on the watch, thus not with the Omega logo.
    - The strap and buckle have the Omega logos, but they seem to be good quality after market, thus not original Omega.
    - The service was done in-house by one of our affiliated watchmakers. When we service a watch, we first check the functionality of the watch for any issues, then take the strap/bracelet off the watch and disassemble the watch.
    - The case and crystal (and bracelet if metal) is cleaned in an ultrasonic tank separately from the watch movement. The movement is checked for tolerances and then fully disassembled and cleaned in a watch cleaning machine.
    - After cleaning, the movement is reassembled with new oils and greases and gaskets if necessary and is then timed and adjusted and checked for functionality before being replaced in the case.
    The watch is then tested for 7 days and readjusted for time before being listed and sold.
    <<

    Sounds legit and honest, so I think just ask if the dial has been restored and maybe a higher res photo?.
    As a few have mentioned, this one doesn't seem obvious enough and I'm having difficulty finding an exact comparison.
    Added couple more photos. Seamaster-600_12540534_xxl_v1569922307697.jpg Seamaster-600_12540534f_xxl_v1569922317765.jpg
     
  14. Edward53 Oct 6, 2019

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    I find it slightly odd that they haven't mentioned the dial, as an original one in this condition would be a strong selling point. There are some exceptionally good redials being done in Asia. I think that's what this is but you'll never know for sure until you see it first hand. Depends whether you feel lucky....
     
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  15. vinny Oct 6, 2019

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    They mentioned as such:
    >> rare, all original Omega Seamaster 600 from 1967. The black dial is in very fine condition, with a steel Omega logo and just a few marks hardly visible to the naked eye.
    steel dauphine hands with the original lume, original crown <<
    Hope a higher resolution photo will help to see more detail but would be great to find an advert or catalog to confirm about he text from source.
     
  16. Shabbaz Oct 6, 2019

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    Do you have a return option?
     
  17. vinny Oct 6, 2019

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    14 days full return rights and are very proud of our reputation for outstanding customer satisfaction.
    plus the Chrono24 site guarantees
    However, I'd rather avoid going through all that.
     
  18. tdn-dk Oct 6, 2019

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    This is a 15$ flea market find (sadly not my find), I consider the dial original

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  19. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Oct 6, 2019

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    Looks like an original gilt dial to me, just the way the print picks up the light a certain way. Also the figures, which on these dials are integral to the dial itself and not applied are far to crisp to have been subject to a refinishing.
     
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  20. vinny Oct 6, 2019

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    Sorry to ask, are you referring to my OP or the photos kust posted by tdn-dk?