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  1. Renton Sep 26, 2018

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    Hi gents, need some help on this. Appreciate any thoughts or comments!

    Came across this vintage Sandoz military diver. It has the exact same look as a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms, especially the oversized bakelite bezel. Case measures 40mm without crown. Nice patina on the dial.

    I've seen similar Fifty Fathoms look-alike from Waltham and LIP, but have never come across this. Anyone has any thoughts? Cheers!

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  2. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Sep 26, 2018

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  3. pIoNeErOfThEnILe Sep 26, 2018

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    there are quite a few of those bezels making the rounds in ebay italy. not all are disclosed as custom, or better yet not original to the watch
     
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  4. Renton Sep 27, 2018

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    thanks both for the comments. does seem like we all to be extra wary of these aftermarket bezels!
     
  5. pIoNeErOfThEnILe Oct 7, 2018

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  6. Renton Oct 7, 2018

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    Wow too many popping up. Dial and overall configuration seems uncannily similar to the Sandoz one. So it seems like the watch is original but they fitted on a FF bezel to upsell these?
     
  7. pIoNeErOfThEnILe Oct 7, 2018

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    i don't know. and i could be wrong. but it just doesn't look right imo
     
  8. bristnj Oct 7, 2018

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    As stated above - Franken. The seller(s) in Italy are fitting these re-production/custom bezels to about anything they will fit. There is generally a new listing as soon as the current sells. If you're buying because you LOVE the look, and don't mind dropping $1K or more, go for it. Obviously, also understanding what it is your buying. That being said, you likely won't re-coup your investment when you try and re-sell. Most serious collectors would not be interested.
     
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  9. pIoNeErOfThEnILe Oct 7, 2018

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    sadly,...the stink smells awful from so many ebay italy sellers. from their high % of shilling/relist to flat out frank watches
     
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  10. Renton Oct 7, 2018

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  11. pIoNeErOfThEnILe Oct 8, 2018

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    snatched up @ close to $1700 usd.

    wouldn't be surprised in the hands and dial lume made a trip to the good dr as well. perfect aging and patina sells....i mean, why stop at a frank bezel?

    present day 2018 i have a hard time believing any patina is real and not artificial. i certainly won't pay a premium for it

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  12. dakota.destiny Oct 11, 2018

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    Amen.
     
  13. pIoNeErOfThEnILe Oct 11, 2018

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    there's even guys that can reproduce those bakelite bezels. if i had to guess most of these might be new, or built up from a not that damaged vintage one
     
  14. pIoNeErOfThEnILe Oct 13, 2018

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    these would sell even if the sellers came clean. but they neglect to do so
     
  15. kpaxsg Nov 15, 2021

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    tempting though....

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  16. cvalue13 Nov 15, 2021

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    yeah that looks good (as in, aesthetically pleasing - not speaking to its authenticity)

    Would this be the original setup:

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  17. kpaxsg Nov 15, 2021

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    indeed, that aside, how much would you have offer for it?
     
  18. cvalue13 Nov 15, 2021

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    well, the trouble is, I would want to see photos of the watch from the side, tops, back, etc. I suspect that misplaced bezel is overhanging the case by several mm in all directions. Even in a photo from the front, you can barely see the crown - I suspect you have to wind the watch with a single finger rolling over the crown from behind, because the bezel makes it impossible to “pinch” the crown between two fingers. That being the case, I suspect this bezel may not look good or natural from the side, too, behind, etc.
     
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  19. ngo516 Nov 15, 2021

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    I’d take it for $500-700. It’s a good looking piece.
    As cvslue13 pointed out, winding it may be a challenge.

    just saw asking price. A bit steep for what it is.