kwh81
·Hi to all! First time for me posting on Rolex side of the forums, but I could really use help figuring out the real nature of this assumed Rolex Day-Date.
I found it being auctioned as part of a vast death estate listing among huge pile (8 kg) of other jewellery, watches and military medals/honors etc. Seems to be former belongings of a serious collector. Items are not especially listed or described, there are just photos of most of things, this watch has maybe most photos of all. Too bad they are of low quality but here they are:
I have only now for about one week tried to figure out what this should look like and what is potentially off with it. Here is the bad:
1. First thing I noticed is that at least the hands have lume and maybe there is lume at the ends of the indices, hard to tell from the blurry picture. The clasp part number 8385 would indicate the watch being 36 mm ref. 18038 or 18238. The former was produced from 1978-1988 so it should have tritium lume and t's marked on the dial accordingly. The latter was produced until 2000 so maybe the very latest models (1998-2000) of ref. 18238 would not have t's for Rolex changed to Luminova in 1998?
2. Dial has also another problem. The minute track has narrow boxes with numerals that I have seen only combined with diamond indices. This has batons. Is this fake or possible redial?
3. The clasp has two obvious problems. At the end of the clasp where the first fixed/solid link is connected to the clasp "plate", (marked on the picture with the scale) it seems to be built from three parts: clasp plate, mid section and a link. To my understanding this should be just one solid part?
Other problem is that at the other end of the clasp the first link has the hinge visible (marked on the picture with the scale). This should be hidden inside the link right?
4. The end links are not of correct shape on the inside being flat and too thin-looking, what is the verdict here?
Then the good?:
5. Weight of the watch could be a positive. I saw mentioned in a video of a ref. 18038 the weight being 115 g.
6. The marking "R" on the other leg was a difficult one. I managed to find one discussion with a picture of another example. This gave me positive feeling, because I found that one exists and I thought why would a forger take the time to make such a suspect marking which can't be found usually. Any idea on this one?
I'm pretty sure all the problems I have found are indicating that the watch is fake, but I would love to have your opinion on the watch to be sure and to learn what is what on the Rolex side of things. Thank you in advance for any contribution!
I found it being auctioned as part of a vast death estate listing among huge pile (8 kg) of other jewellery, watches and military medals/honors etc. Seems to be former belongings of a serious collector. Items are not especially listed or described, there are just photos of most of things, this watch has maybe most photos of all. Too bad they are of low quality but here they are:
I have only now for about one week tried to figure out what this should look like and what is potentially off with it. Here is the bad:
1. First thing I noticed is that at least the hands have lume and maybe there is lume at the ends of the indices, hard to tell from the blurry picture. The clasp part number 8385 would indicate the watch being 36 mm ref. 18038 or 18238. The former was produced from 1978-1988 so it should have tritium lume and t's marked on the dial accordingly. The latter was produced until 2000 so maybe the very latest models (1998-2000) of ref. 18238 would not have t's for Rolex changed to Luminova in 1998?
2. Dial has also another problem. The minute track has narrow boxes with numerals that I have seen only combined with diamond indices. This has batons. Is this fake or possible redial?
3. The clasp has two obvious problems. At the end of the clasp where the first fixed/solid link is connected to the clasp "plate", (marked on the picture with the scale) it seems to be built from three parts: clasp plate, mid section and a link. To my understanding this should be just one solid part?
Other problem is that at the other end of the clasp the first link has the hinge visible (marked on the picture with the scale). This should be hidden inside the link right?
4. The end links are not of correct shape on the inside being flat and too thin-looking, what is the verdict here?
Then the good?:
5. Weight of the watch could be a positive. I saw mentioned in a video of a ref. 18038 the weight being 115 g.
6. The marking "R" on the other leg was a difficult one. I managed to find one discussion with a picture of another example. This gave me positive feeling, because I found that one exists and I thought why would a forger take the time to make such a suspect marking which can't be found usually. Any idea on this one?
I'm pretty sure all the problems I have found are indicating that the watch is fake, but I would love to have your opinion on the watch to be sure and to learn what is what on the Rolex side of things. Thank you in advance for any contribution!