Another of my recent acquisition is a rare Roberge Deep Ocean 1000m dive watch. Roberge are known for their luxury diamond studded watches and the Deep Ocean I believe, is their only model that's designed as a true diver replete of precious stones. The Roberge Watch Company is owned by an Arab Swiss family and their main business are high end jewelries. I think most of their watches are sold in the Middle East. Does anyone here have any knowledge of this watch?

 

no knowledge of the watch or brand. good looking piece though but I'm surprised it has no diving bezel in or out of the dial.

 

I never thought of that Sergio so this can't be a serious dive watch?

 

I would like to see a picture of the movement. Is it a common workhorse (ETA 2824, 2892 etc) or something else?

 

http://www.roberge.ch/
They have a nice website with music like your in a telephone queue

OmegaSean

 

Watches meant for deep sea divers apparently do not need a bezel as timing is done from the surface. SCUBA needed a timing bezel until the advent of the dive computer.

 

It cannot get Diver certification. There are set rules, I don't remember them all but to paraphrase they go something like:

-Must have a unidirectional Diver Bezel
-Must be water resistant to 10 atm
-Must be easily readable in poor light conditions or no light at a distance of xx (Cant remember the distance but pretty close)

etc etc.

The watch is still great to have, but it is weird to name it Deep Ocean and not care for a bezel etc. Even if it is an interior dial one which would suit this watch pretty well

 

Here are some:

• ISO 6425 divers' watches standard[edit]
  
  ISO 6425 compliant DIVER'S 200M marked diving watch
  The standards and features for diving watches are regulated by the ISO 6425 - Divers' watches international standard. This standard was introduced in 1996. ISO 6425 defines such watches as: A watch designed to withstand diving in water at depths of at least 100 m and possessing a system to control the time. Diving watches are tested in static or still water under 125% of the rated (water) pressure, thus a watch with a 200-metre rating will be water resistant if it is stationary and under 250 metres of static water. ISO 6425 testing of the water resistance or water-tightness and resistance at a water overpressure as it is officially defined is fundamentally different from non-dive watches, because every single watch has to be tested. Testing diving watches for ISO 6425 compliance is voluntary and involves costs, so not every manufacturer present their watches for certification according to this standard.
  
  ISO 6425 testing of a diver's watch consists of:
  
  • Reliability under water. The watches under test shall be immersed in water to a depth of 30±2 cm for 50 hours at 18 to 25 °C and all the mechanisms shall still function correctly. The condensation test shall be carried out before and after this test to ensure that the result is related to the above test.
  • Condensation test. The watch shall be placed on a heated plate at a temperature between 40 and 45 °C until the watch has reached the temperature of the heated plate (in practice, a heating time of 10 minutes to 20 minutes, depending on the type of watch, will be sufficient). A drop of water, at a temperature of 18 to 25 °C shall be placed on the glass of the watch. After about 1 minute, the glass shall be wiped with a dry rag. Any watch which has condensation on the interior surface of the glass shall be eliminated.
  • Resistance of crowns and other setting devices to an external force. The watches under test shall be subjected to an overpressure in water of 125% of the rated pressure for 10 minutes and to an external force of 5 N perpendicular to the crown and pusher buttons (if any). The condensation test shall be carried out before and after this test to ensure that the result is related to the above test.
  • Water-tightness and resistance at a water overpressure. The watches under test shall be immersed in water contained in a suitable vessel. Then an overpressure of 125% of the rated pressure shall be applied within 1 minute and maintained for 2 hours. Subsequently the overpressure shall be reduced to 0.3 bar within 1 minute and maintained at this pressure for 1 hour. The watches shall then be removed from the water and dried with a rag. No evidence of water intrusion or condensation is allowed.
  • Resistance to thermal shock. Immersion of the watch in 30±2 cm of water at the following temperatures for 10 minutes each, 40 °C, 5 °C and 40 °C again. The time of transition from one immersion to the other shall not exceed 1 minute. No evidence of water intrusion or condensation is allowed.
  • An optional test originating from the ISO 2281 tests (but not required for obtaining ISO 6425 approval) is exposing the watch to an overpressure of 200 kPa. The watch shall show no air-flow exceeding 50 μg/min.
  Except the thermal shock resistance test all further ISO 6425 testing should be conducted at 18 to 25 °C temperature. Regarding pressure ISO 6425 defines: 1 bar = 105 Pa = 105 N/m2. The required 125% test pressure provides a safety margin against dynamic pressure increase events, water density variations (seawater is 2% to 5% denser than freshwater) and degradation of the seals.
  
  Movement induced dynamic pressure increase is sometimes the subject of urban myths and marketing arguments for diver's watches with high water resistance ratings. When a diver makes a fast swimming movement of 10 m/s (32.8 ft/s) (the best competitive swimmers and finswimmers do not move their hands nor swim that fast[2]) physics dictates that the diver generates a dynamic pressure of 50 kPa or the equivalent of 5 metres of additional water depth.[3]
  
  Besides water resistance standards to a minimum of 100 metres (330 ft) depth rating ISO 6425 also provides minimum requirements for mechanical diver's watches (quartz and digital watches have slightly differing readability requirements) such as:[4]
  
  • The presence of a time-preselecting device, for example a unidirectional rotating bezel or a digital display. Such a device shall be protected against inadvertent rotation or wrong manipulation. If it is a rotating bezel, it shall have a minute scale going up to 60 min. The markings indicating every 5 min shall be clearly indicated. The markings on the dial, if existing, shall be coordinated with those of the preselecting device and shall be clearly visible. If the preselecting device is a digital display, it shall be clearly visible.
  • The following items of the watch shall be legible at a distance of 25 cm (9.8 in) in the dark:
    • time (the minute hand shall be clearly distinguishable from the hour hand);
    • set time of the time-preselecting device;
    • indication that the watch is running (This is usually indicated by a running second hand with a luminous tip or tail.);
    • in the case of battery-powered watches, a battery end-of-life indication.
  • The presence of an indication that the watch is running in total darkness. This is usually indicated by a running second hand with a luminous tip or tail.
  • Magnetic resistance. This is tested by 3 expositions to a direct current magnetic field of 4 800 A/m. The watch must keep its accuracy to ±30 seconds/day as measured before the test despite the magnetic field.
  • Shock resistance. This is tested by two shocks (one on the 9 o'clock side, and one to the crystal and perpendicular to the face). The shock is usually delivered by a hard plastic hammer mounted as a pendulum, so as to deliver a measured amount of energy, specifically, a 3 kg hammer with an impact velocity of 4.43 m/s. The change in rate allowed is ±60 seconds/day.
  • Resistance to salty water. The watches under test shall be put in a 30 g/l NaCl (sodium chloride) solution and kept there for 24 hours at 18 to 25 °C. This test water solution has salinity comparable to normal seawater. After this test, the case and accessories shall be examined for any possible changes. Moving parts, particularly the rotating bezel, shall be checked for correct functioning.
  • Resistance of attachments to an external force (strap/band solidity). This is tested by applying a force of 200 N (45 lbf) to each springbar (or attaching point) in opposite directions with no damage to the watch of attachment point. The bracelet of the watch being tested shall be closed.
  • Marking. Watches conforming to ISO 6425 are marked with the word DIVER’S WATCH xxx M or DIVER'S xxx M to distinguish diving watches from look a like watches that are not suitable for actual scuba diving. The letters xxx are replaced by the diving depth, in metres, guaranteed by the manufacturer.
  Plus the "water resistance ISO 2281
  
  ISO 2281 water-resistant watches standard[edit]
  The International Organization for Standardization issued a standard for water resistant watches which also prohibits the term waterproof to be used with watches, which many countries have adopted. This standard was introduced in 1990 as the ISO 2281:1990 and only designed for watches intended for ordinary daily use and are resistant to water during exercises such as swimming for a short period. They may be used under conditions where water pressure and temperature vary. However, whether they bear an additional indication of overpressure or not, they are not intended for submarine diving.
  
  The ISO 2281 standard specifies a detailed testing procedure for each mark that defines not only pressures but also test duration, water temperature, and other parameters. Besides this ISO 2859-2 Sampling plans indexed by limiting quality (LQ) for isolated lot inspection and ISO 2859-3 Sampling procedures for inspection by attributes – Part 3: Skip-lot sampling procedures concerning procedures regarding lot sampling testing come into play, since not every single watch has to be tested for ISO 2281 approval.
  
  ISO 2281 water resistance testing of a watch consists of:
  
  • Resistance when immersed in water at a depth of 10 cm. Immersion of the watch in 10 cm of water for 1 hour.
  • Resistance of operative parts. Immersion of the watch in 10 cm of water with a force of 5 N perpendicular to the crown and pusher buttons (if any) for 10 minutes.
  • Condensation test. The watch shall be placed on a heated plate at a temperature between 40 °C and 45 °C until the watch has reached the temperature of the heated plate (in practice, a heating time of 10 minutes to 20 minutes, depending on the type of watch, will be sufficient). A drop of water, at a temperature between 18 °C and 25 °C shall be placed on the glass of the watch. After about 1 minute, the glass shall be wiped with a dry rag. Any watch which has condensation on the interior surface of the glass shall be eliminated.
  • Resistance to different temperatures. Immersion of the watch in 10 cm of water at the following temperatures for 5 minutes each, 40 °C, 20 °C and 40 °C again, with the transition between temperatures not to exceed 1 minute. No evidence of water intrusion or condensation is allowed.
  • Resistance to water overpressure. Immersion of the watch in a suitable pressure vessel and subjecting it within 1 minute to the rated pressure for 10 minutes, or to 2 bar in case where no additional indication is given. Then the overpressure is reduced to the ambient pressure within 1 minute. No evidence of water intrusion or condensation is allowed.
  • Resistance to air overpressure. Exposing the watch to an overpressure of 2 bar. The watch shall show no air-flow exceeding 50 μg/min.
  • No magnetic or shock resistance properties are required.
  • No negative pressure test is required.
  • No strap attachment test is required.
  • No corrosion test is required.
  Except the thermal shock resistance test all further ISO 2281 testing should be conducted at 18 °C to 25 °C temperature. Regarding pressure ISO 2281 defines: 1 bar = 105 Pa = 105 N/m2.
  
  This has since be replaced by the ISO 22810:2010 standard, which covers all activities up to specified depth and clears up ambiguities with the previous standard.[1]
  
  In practice, the survivability of the watch will depend not only on the water depth, but also on the age of the sealing material, past damage, temperature, and additional mechanical stresses.
  

 

If you look at the Aegir line designed by a commercial diver the describe their CD-1 as such:

"The Ægir CD-1 ( Concept Diver 1 ) was designed as a commercial divers watch, where the diver does not need to know his bottom time, as most bell runs are in the 4 to 8 hour range.
This watch was in fact designed while sitting in the dive bell and the principal behind it was the (one watch) concept.
Would be equally at home over a dive suit, as it would be under a business suit."

Now well that may not be the definitive, and notwithstanding the requirements of ISO 6425, considering that the rotating bezel timing device was invented specifically for measuring of bottom time and decomp. and ascent rates for SCUBA users, it isn't really reasonable to dismiss a watch as not being a serious diving watch merely due to the absence of an elapsed time measuring device that would anyway be superfluous to the needs of a commercial diver whose timing is controlled to the second from topside crew. Not good as a diving watch for a SCUBA user certainly but then again they'll be using a dive computer and most likely wear a watch only if they are a dive watch enthusiast or maybe for "backup".

 

I'm not dismissing anything, just talking about certification. As far as I'm concerned a diver can go down there wearing a pocket watch for all
I care.

 

I didn't say that you were dismissing anything. My response was to the point that it could not be a serious dive watch because it had no moving bezel which someone else posted in response to you, to which you re-posted the ISO certification.

 

That's a nice citizen diver Sergio