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Recently Listed 168.005 by @Spoonta66

Cartesian
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I just wanted to check with people about this recent listing for a Constellation 168.005 on the 'Watches for Sale' page, here:

https://omegaforums.net/posts/2608982/ Spoonta66
Spoonta66 ·
Up for sale is a beautiful, completely honest, and original stainless steel Omega Constellation from 1963. This is the sunburst domed dial variant of the iconic reference 168.005. It features the legendary, sharp "dog-leg" lugs and comes fitted on its authentic vintage Omega stainless steel Beads of Rice bracelet setup.
Please review the complete breakdown of its condition, faults, and highlights below.

✨ Highlights & Key Features:

* Pristine Original Dial and original Omega signed crystal: The silver sunburst domed dial is the standout feature of this watch. It is completely untouched...

It's listed as being an original dial, but 'Constellation' appears to me to have been re-dialed:

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I am inclined to hope that this is just an error produced by the AI-generated text, and it appears to have been recently sold so I'm not sure that anything can be done, but I just wanted to flag it and get the opinions of others.
 
ErichKeane
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Its hard to tell what is and isn't compression/plexiglas artifcats, but the REST of the dial seems pretty spot on. But as you've noticed, the constellation text is a bit 'bold' for me as well. "Swiss Made" looks odd, but that could totally be where it is on the crystal.

That said, it looks sold? Hopefully the buyer can take a closer look at it/get better pictures if they are concerned after receiving it.
 
Cartesian
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I agree, it's hard to tell due to compression and I just wanted to flag in case - I don't mean to be accusatory at all.

The final 'n' in Constellation, coupled with the overall boldness, though seemed to be off to me, and it was all a bit jarring in comparison to the AI description
 
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The fact that these listings are AI generated effectively means buyers have no ability to trust any of the content of the listing, I have genuinely no idea why he even considered that was an intelligent thing to do after being repeatedly told to never trust that garbage in multiple threads that turned into train wrecks.

There hasn't been a restriction on that for listings until now, because it was one of those things that goes without saying but it may have to be done now, will discuss with the mod team in the morning.
 
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dsio dsio
The fact that these listings are AI generated effectively means buyers have no ability to trust any of the content of the listing, I have genuinely no idea why he even considered that was an intelligent thing to do after being repeatedly told to never trust that garbage in multiple threads that turned into train wrecks.

There hasn't been a restriction on that for listings until now, because it was one of those things that goes without saying but it may have to be done now, will discuss with the mod team in the morning.
In my AI-flooded software project, we have a rule that anyone posting AI stuff is 100% responsible for everything the AI generates, along with all consequences that come with it. This leaves sufficient leeway to let folks that are not native-english speakers to do things, while keeping responsibility around. I would expect that the penalty here should be the same as if anyone else here were caught being mistruthful on a listing.
 
Peemacgee
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I think there is a big difference between intentionally misleading and ignorance.

The result may be the same but the intent is not.

We are all playing catch up in this brave new world of AI.

However, I’m pleased to hear that the mods are looking at this problem.
 
myouss
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Speaking on the dial. I saw pics of this, it was also posted on Reddit. It seemed off to my eye, and had I been interested I would've sought further advice.

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Peemacgee
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I don’t think @Spoonta66 posted this watch for comment - which I’m afraid he should have done as there appears to be some problems with the watch which the advert says is all original.

The dial does concern me but the photos are so poor as to be inconclusive.
However, we have a 20m cal 561 movt with a painted indices dial, which couldn’t possibly have started life together.
In addition the movement has a swan neck regulator with the ‘puck’ terminal which couldn’t contemporaneously have appeared on a cal 561.

If he’d posted the watch we could have assessed it for him but as it is I think the buyer would have grounds for returning the watch.
 
Cartesian
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The font of 'Constellation' at least looks less bold in this picture than in the For Sale ad here, but I still remain concerned about the ligatures and serifs
myouss myouss
Speaking on the dial. I saw pics of this, it was also posted on Reddit. It seemed off to my eye, and had I been interested I would've sought further advice.

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The problems that @Peemacgee pointed out, though, seem more conclusively worrying

I wonder if, since the sale was so recent, it might be the case that the watch has not yet been shipped to the buyer
 
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ErichKeane ErichKeane
In my AI-flooded software project, we have a rule that anyone posting AI stuff is 100% responsible for everything the AI generates, along with all consequences that come with it. This leaves sufficient leeway to let folks that are not native-english speakers to do things, while keeping responsibility around. I would expect that the penalty here should be the same as if anyone else here were caught being mistruthful on a listing.
I think AI can be very helpful for matters of translation.

However, it might be that prohibiting AI-generated text - the sort arising from mere prompts - would be a good idea here. In addition to being overly ebullient, AI often introduces mistakes that can be easily overlooked in the cascade of words
 
maumerstrubbi
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Did anyone reach out to the seller directly about this yet?

He seemed to be responsive and active the last few days. So may be he is open to evaluate and reconsider the whole affair/tries to be responsive on this matter as well.
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myouss
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maumerstrubbi maumerstrubbi
Did anyone reach out to the seller directly about this yet?

He seemed to be responsive and chive the last few days. So may be he is open to evaluate and reconsider the whole affair/tries to be responsive on this matter as well.
The seller has previously shown to be comfortable trying to pass off redials as original and rare, watches with their lugs out as 'excellent, original and unpolished condition' I don't believe they are terribly concerned with originality.
 
gatorcpa
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I am pretty sure this is a redial. The spacing is off on the three lines and the do not look straight.
gatorcpa
 
Spoonta66
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I wish someone had messaged me and not started a thread about it. Happy to post better pictures to confirm before I send. I bought this off a very trusted dealer and was not trying to pass it off for something it wasn't.
I'll post better pictures here before I send it.
 
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And it sold to a watch dealer who has seen it in person and inspected it with a loupe previousy.
 
ErichKeane
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gatorcpa gatorcpa
I am pretty sure this is a redial. The spacing is off on the three lines and the do not look straight.
gatorcpa
On the newest picture I definitely see that more. AND the Constellation text is quite a bit more bold. But it at least looks pad printed here, which leaves me ... interested in this dial. It isn't to the same quality/consistency/spacing as Omega usually is, but it is also very clearly professionally done, whether by Omega's usual suspects, a rarely-used Omega vendor/dial maker, or someone making a convincing replica.
 
JimInOz
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Positioning of "SWISS MADE" is also incorrect.
 
TexOmega
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I am not fond of the "n"fonts in Constellation nor the severe rotor wear
 
Cartesian
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Spoonta66 Spoonta66
I wish someone had messaged me and not started a thread about it. Happy to post better pictures to confirm before I send. I bought this off a very trusted dealer and was not trying to pass it off for something it wasn't.
I'll post better pictures here before I send it.
Apologies for starting the thread - I did not at all mean to suggest any ill intent on your part.

I was, however, interested in getting the community's feedback on the watch's originality, particularly given the laudatory (AI-generated) language of the ad, which repeatedly described the watch as 'completely honest, and original', having a 'completely untouched' dial, etc.
 
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