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  1. repoman

    repoman Feb 22, 2014

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    Hello Everyone

    What a great forum you have here. The watch you see below was purchased new by my Grandfather, I believe in Japan, in 1967 or 1968. He was a navigator for Japan Air Lines for many years, and this was his work watch. This watch was passed down to me many years ago. I have worn it from time to time, usually for special occasions, but have recently started to wear it more often as I truly love it for both the aesthetic beauty of the watch, and its history. Up to now, I had not taken much interest in the history of the watch, but I needed to take my modern Constellation in for servicing, and decided to bring this watch along to show my local watchmaker. I could tell from the look in his eyes that he too appreciated it, and he was salivating at the chance to service it, which I politely declined. This watch will be an heirloom which I will pass down to my eldest son - it will never be sold while I am alive. From what I can tell, thanks to this forum, this is a 1967 model Speedmaster Professional, serial # 26548984. The cap is inscribed with 145012-67. Obviously a 321 calibre movement.

    To the best of my knowledge, it has never been serviced. I have the original (well, what I believe to be the original) 1039 bracelet as you can see, which is how I received the watch. Several years ago, I had a modern heavier gauge Omega bracelet added. As for the red leather box, I don't remember if this was the original Speedmaster box, or if this was the box that my Constellation came in, I'm hoping one of you experts can set me straight on that.

    So, here's my real question for you all.... should I, or should I not have this watch serviced, and if so, how should it be done and by who?. Should this be sent to Omega for a full factory service? I can see from the forum there are considerations for replacing parts like the dial, bezel, crown, etc. I know collectors would prefer absolute original everything, scratches and all. But this watch will never be sold while I'm alive, and, I like the idea of having it cleaned up and made like new again... Mostly, I want to make the most informed decisions I can. Any/all suggestions/comments/opinions are very much appreciated. IMG_0915.JPG IMG_0938.JPG IMG_0919.JPG IMG_0924.JPG IMG_0925.JPG IMG_0939.JPG IMG_0942.JPG IMG_0944.JPG IMG_0957.JPG IMG_0966.JPG IMG_0963.jpg

    John
     
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  2. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Feb 22, 2014

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    Box is not original, must have come with your Constellation, your choice of replacing the original bracelet with a modern one for general use is an excellent one, the old bracelet is valuable so keep it safe but its fragile, the new ones are great.

    The watch is all original by the looks, Dot-Over-90 bezel is correct, dial and hands look great, case looks fine, crown is a correct 321 crown. Have it serviced by an independent before wearing it, not Omega, but you've got a nice piece there. Omega will replace some of the original parts that don't need replacing, you don't want that to happen, it'd ruin the watch. I'd hit up Al Archer (Archer) for a service.
     
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  3. Time Exposure

    Time Exposure coordinates his cast with his car's paint job Feb 22, 2014

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    John, welcome to the forum. What a beautiful watch, and what fortune that it has been (and will continue to be) in your family since new.

    Many (most) collectors here value originality over appearance, so my advice will be echoed by them: have the watch serviced, by an independent watchmaker who specializes in these movements.

    Omega service will make it look new, and will replace original pieces so that it will pass their criteria for water resistance. It will also cost much more, but I'm sure for such a memento price is no concern.

    Ultimately it is up to you. But I see it this way: if I wanted it to look like new, I would buy a new one which bears a remarkable likeness to your -67. I would service the movement of my grandfather's watch, and keep the same crystal/dial/hands that he gazed upon so many years ago, and the winding crown and pushers his fingers twisted and pressed.

    For Omega to replace the crystal/hands/dial/bezel/crown/pushers, there would be very little left of my grandfather's watch as he knew it. And I would have a hard time calling it my grandfather's watch anymore.
     
  4. mac_omega

    mac_omega Feb 22, 2014

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    Welcome John,

    nice heirloom you have there!

    Keep the watch as is, it is a beauty and shows only very little wear.
    Do not do any "cosmetics" like buffing or polishing - do not replace anything (like bezel or hands)!!
    So you it will hold both, the original look and the collector´s value... :thumbsup:

    What I strongly recommend: Do not wear it any longer - have it serviced first - only cleaning, lubricating and adjustment (if necessary).

    You ask who will be able - well it depends where you live: Al Archer (forum member from Canada) is often recommended here and there is also one guy in England who has the skills to maintain such complicated movements as they should...

    kind regards

    erich
     
  5. CanberraOmega

    CanberraOmega Rabbitohs and Whisky Supporter Feb 22, 2014

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    Agree with dsio.
    Definitely get it serviced by an independent watchmaker. If you use it without servicing you will be destroying it - unlubricated metal against unlubricated metal, grinding gears, etc.
     
  6. Darlinboy

    Darlinboy Pratts! Will I B******S!!! Feb 22, 2014

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    Beautiful watch, and a wonderful family heirloom. I'd get a movement service and otherwise leave it as is. :D
     
  7. MikiJ

    MikiJ Likes songs about Purple spices Feb 22, 2014

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    With all due respect to any of the most respected members/collectors: Do everything as suggested by dsio, especially, wear it! These classic timepieces were designed, built and meant to be worn. Best of all the wonderful memories of your Grandfather every time to put it on. Just my 2C's. Miki
     
  8. Pasbru

    Pasbru Feb 22, 2014

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    PLEASE, just a movement service, that is all. Nothing more to think about.....short and simple. Hope that helps.
     
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  9. repoman

    repoman Feb 22, 2014

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    Many thanks everyone, this is the kind of advice I was seeking. I've contacted Al to arrange for a mechanical service, but otherwise, the watch will remain in its original condition (and be worn!).
    John
     
  10. bupdyke

    bupdyke Feb 22, 2014

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    John, I have a 145.012 - 67 and the serial number is 26546489. I wonder if this means our watches know each other?
     
  11. Baco Noir

    Baco Noir Feb 23, 2014

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    Al has serviced many of my watches. You are in great hands and the service photos will blow you away and be great to share with the next generation.
     
  12. repoman

    repoman Feb 23, 2014

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    ;-) Maybe not brother and sister, but certainly cousins!
     
  13. dan7800

    dan7800 Feb 23, 2014

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    Welcome to the forum from a fellow vintage newb. Beautiful watch.
     
  14. shogun357

    shogun357 Mar 6, 2015

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    It's a beautiful piece. I've been looking for one exactly like it. If you have any interest in selling, please let me know. Thanks!
     
  15. MMMD

    MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Mar 6, 2015

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    I know the watch porn is distracting, but this forum is like a Playboy magazine from the early 1970's... you're going to miss out on a lot if you just look at the pictures and don't read the text.
    The proper thing to do is to ask repoman to relay the following message to his eldest son:

    DIBS!
     
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  16. Time Exposure

    Time Exposure coordinates his cast with his car's paint job Mar 6, 2015

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    Wow.
    Digging up old threads now, trying desperately to land a Speedmaster to scratch your itch. Looking at your contributions to the forum and finding more of the same.
    Pitiful to see. Think I'll be ignoring your "contributions" moving forward. For the sake of the integrity of this forum, I hope you find your watch very, very soon.
     
  17. Taddyangle

    Taddyangle Convicted Invicta Wearer Mar 6, 2015

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    LOL.

    I waste so much time looking at the pictures of all the watches on this forum. My list of wanted watches keeps growing and growing every time I see a really cool watch. My wife no longer even asks when she sees that I am wearing a new watch. I bid daily on watches that are listed on ebay.

    I blame all the enablers on this forum.

    @repoman let me try that one on at one of our GTG :)
     
  18. repoman

    repoman Mar 6, 2015

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    Holy thread resurrection batman! Well, I should have come back to this thread a long time ago, and said that Al did service this watch last year and he did an amazing job on it. Its even more beautiful now, running exceptionally well, and its hard to make something more valuable than priceless, but he managed to do it.

    Still not for sale, and never will be. Dibs are not even being taken.

    Here's what she looks like today, on a brown Omega leather strap with deployant clasp. I will bring this to lunch next week @Taddyangle (Monday should work for me).

    67Speedy-4.jpg 67Speedy-5.jpg
     
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  19. shogun357

    shogun357 Mar 6, 2015

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    Ha! True that. Just puttin' out there. No harm in asking, right?