Hey gents, I just noticed a 321 dial and movement listed on ebay for $2600 USD. http://m.ebay.com/itm/291572196609Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network If this movement was working, and not rusty, and if the dial was a little better off, I could see this price. Is this stuff worth that much in this condition? Opinions greatly appreciated!
That's awful, the dial is crap and the movement is trashed, bring that to your watchmaker and he'll take you off his Christmas card list.
In running condition and better dial condition - not stunning, but 'ok', would that be an ok price? $1000 for dial $1600 for movement ?
I'd think those prices could be swapped around. Then again, there would probably be a larger variation in the dial price and a higher upper end, depending upon condition.
What about a 2998 dial? In my short time here, I've only seen one 321 movement (with a 15m serial bridge no less) and that went for about $1200 usd. Is that a reasonable amount for a movement in running condition?
That movement was no good. A good 321 is worth 1500 all day long. With the right speedmaster number. Not so one with another number, although a desperado might pay it for the balance or other obsolete part, as these movements are not so easy to find in good condition. A good 2998 dial has to be worth $2000-5000. But I have only seen rough ones, and they sell for $1000-1500. There was a spate of usable 105.003 dials a year ago and they fetched $800-1200 though each had issues. People often don't see the value in a good to excellent dial until they have a good think.
That's always the issue, the good 2998 dials are all in good 2998 watches, the ones that float loose are the ones that met with misadventure. Sometimes you look and wonder how they managed to thoroughly root a watch that completely. 321s on the other hand can be had in good shape mainly due to the poor water resistance and easily damaged dials on Seamasters along with those easily damaged gold plated cases. Buying a basket case is never a good idea as the parts you need, if you can get them at all will exceed the cost of a non-rooted movement.
Looks like it's in the range for a 105.003-63 or -64. Anyway, I'm not going after it, but was curious about prices for these parts. They sure don't come up often.
We do have to be careful with both the numbers and assessing condition . The seamaster numbers in my experience do not fall in the same range as the speedmaster. That is, i don't think the seamasters have the first four digits in common with speedmasters even though they might start for example 24m. I could be wrong.
Seller says it's: 22,066,4XX Wouldn't share the last two digits. That's in the accepted speedmaster ranges, but it'sa wide range.
And of course, you are correct. I checked my notes in haste and am in error. Well, there you have it.
Currently, Omega charges about 2000€ for a brand new 1861 caliber and about 185€ for a Speedmaster dial. As such, the ratio is about 11:1 in favour of the movement. To a watchmaker it sounds therefore very odd that this ratio can be reversed in favour of the dial. The only explanation might be that dealers or collectors are generally able to assess a dial but are not able to assess a movement. Am I right?
Yes I think you are right , dial is always first part that we check for condition to estimate the price , so I think that why the price that seem to be as it shown now. And arguably I think an classic dial valuation is rolex. Gilt, underline and double name ,etc. they always make such a huge difference for pricing , isn't it?
