Possible Speedmaster Frankenstien Bargain?

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Here is an interesting one - It is on a BIN and been up a while, I don't think my review will interfere with any buyers.



First site is a brown looking dial, with probably applied plots, described as a 2998-2 with a DO90 bezel. Not a valuable one.



Alpha hands are short, thin square slots and probably from a seamaster.



The dial has T marks, so is from a later watch, probably the 105003. While I find the colour interesting, I also note it is out of the ordinary and I don't really trust it, especially with the redone markers.

And yes, an odd subdial hand



Inner case back shows 2998-2



Now let's see the movement - that's a 1599 serial, usually seen on 2915s! Before I get too exited, it's also known on Seamasters.



The price is too high to gamble, but it's a fun thing to see.

For me, it was the kind of think I liked to buy cheap, but this isnt cheap. Also nowadays people can find out ahead of time if the movement came from a 2915, and mind you, what would you do with it - not that many 2915 cases around.

I do seem to remember some very early 2998's with low serials, but I doubt this is an original pairing here.


What do we think?
 
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I think your assessment is right on the money. Some people just shy away from these as a matter of course; for me (as you note), if the price were right, I would take a flyer on it, as I could possibly use parts from it one day, or, wear it just for fun with no concerns about dings or scratches.
 
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when you say "cheap", what price would you be willing to pay?
because I would have a hard time giving a single coin for a Frankenwatch, probably because my finances and my wife allow me no mistakes :whipped:
 
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when you say "cheap", what price would you be willing to pay?
because I would have a hard time giving a single coin for a Frankenwatch, probably because my finances and my wife allow me no mistakes :whipped:

Well different folks have different ideas. Someone might have an Ed white needing a cheap and interesting dial.
Someone might confirm with the museum it is a 2915 movement
Someone might need a case

Chances of one person needing everything, at once, are very small.

So I would think it would sell quickly at $2,000. Anyone would have it for that

After that, you can go up from there until failure,

SO $3000 I might if I had a good month. Personally I would not go to 4, but imagine someone who needs two parts of it, and over values the bezel, they might go to 5 and be happy.

Where do we all think it might end up on an ebay auction? My guess would be $4500 - but not from me
 
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I think I could sell this in pieces for closer to 8 or 10. If it sells for less than 5k, someone will have a decent lot of parts to play with. Yes, the indices have been done. Movement, case/back, dial, bezel...all quite valuable.

Even if it is from a SM, that movement has considerable value.
 
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it is therefore an ideal model for Speed Meister the puzzle champion on eBay, but he sure wouldn't buy it for the advertised price !
 
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Dial is either completely bogus or a service dial that has been (badly) "Back-dated".
Basically 13.9K buys you a butchered case+caseback, a bezel, a chrono hand, and a movement.
All other parts are worthless.
 
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Dial is either completely bogus or a service dial that has been (badly) "Back-dated".
Basically 13.9K buys you a butchered case+caseback, a bezel, a chrono hand, and a movement.
All other parts are worthless.

Please be more specific re the dial. I've never been one to study the coffee table Bible for most latter day Speedmaster geeks, so I'm not seeing the evidence you seem to be seeing. Please detail the problems/arguments. Also, I don't think the case is butchered. The back alone could bring a few K. So, yeah...you noted case, back, sweep hand, mvmnt, bezel....that's a lot...not as much as the price..but it ain't 2 or 3k worth. And I'll wait for the wisdom on the dial.

I find it interesting that the seller wants over 10k for it but couldn't be bothered to blow out the lint, dust, etc for the listing. I'm assuming ndgal is seeing something in this dial that tells him it is not a 105.003 dial. The tritium markings rule out anything earlier, if memory serves...including the 105.002, right? So why can't it be a re lumed 105.003?
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Looks like someone went a little cray-cray with the buffing wheel on that case and caseback. I mean I'd wear this if someone gave it to me, but $14K+ when you factor in tax? Absolutely bonkers.
 
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The seller says the dial has been "redefined." He also says everything else is original and correct. Well, there ya go.
 
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The sub second hand does not look correct. The dial has a round O in OMEGA. No short indices on the right sub dial. 105 012 dial on a 2915? Bezel would be nice if it was not flattened at 12, but not a 2915 one anyway; For me too many redflags.
What could one do with it?
find a 2915 dial + Decent hand : a fortune if ever you find one. I've just paid one 5000 euros;
find a 105.012 caseback and the movement will not be correct.
just my opinion;
I think a saw it on ebay from Argentina?
 
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Someone might confirm with the museum it is a 2915 movement

This will most unlikely ever happen for obvious reasons.