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  1. doralamer Jul 28, 2015

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    I am new to the brand, but really fascinated by the UG polerouters. Been studying the polerouter super series, and I found several different models amongst the literature.

    Let's look at the following samples:
    (1) http://www.polerouter.de/images/collection/polerouter5-big.jpg
    (2) http://blog.omegaforums.net/post/50975975569/vintage-universal-geneve-polerouter-super
    (3) http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Universal-Ge...fresh=true&clk_rvr_id=874925199385&rmvSB=truePurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network
    (4) http://www.ebay.com/itm/161752656596?rmvSB=truePurchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network
    (5) http://www.timetitans.com/products/...os-cal-69-microtor-white-dial-stainless-steel
    (6) http://www.casowatches.com/store/cm...88&LANGUAGE=2&CATALOG_ID=1&LEVEL=0&STORE_ID=1
    (7) http://www.lamesuredutemps.com/one.cfm?Polerouter Super&uuid=E5DD8685-B66F-543F-BFE5503AC252CA28

    and take a look at this 1960 advertisements.
    (8) http://www.lacotedesmontres.com/Enchere-No_34442.htm
    (9) http://www.polerouter.de/images/advertisement/advertisement12-big.jpg

    I found some inconsistencies and would like to pick on the wits and wisdom of some of the UG collectors

    a. crystal- i believe that the adverts do not seem to suggest a cyclops, but is a cyclops with a slant towards the crown to the top half of the watch significant of it's originality?
    b. Just looking at the dials, the 2 adverts seem to suggest that the super does not seem to exist in a normal polerouter 2 tone bezel, as per the PRDates and normal PR, as shown in exhibits (2) and (6). Exhibit (7) also seem to be slightly unique in its dial colour - are these originals?
    c. But what makes me wonder most is the crown. Advert (8) suggest a rounded crown, as shown in exhibit (4) (5) and (6), with a rounded crown. However, advert (9) suggests a stepped crown with a sort of cone coming out from the inside of a crown, as shown in (1), (2), (3) and (7). Most funnily, (3) and (4) seem to have the exact same dial, but the crown seems a bit different.

    Could anyone shed light on this?
     
  2. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jul 28, 2015

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    I believe that while it is possible that both versions of the crowns were used, but that this one is definitely "correct":

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    I say that partly because they are more typically found on the Super models, and…

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  3. doralamer Jul 28, 2015

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    Yeah I guess so. Anyway I decided to go for the one at goldsmithworks w a best offer. Not sure if this entails Buying a Franken but the work he did on the 1-69 movement and how they look after is quite amazing. And I just have to believe in this..

    http://www.lacotedesmontres.com/Enchere-No_34442.htm

    Another advert that shows the same watch from the 60s
     
  4. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jul 28, 2015

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    I don't believe that the image you link to is an advert. I believe that it is a poor quality reproduction of an auction catalogue, and as such, not a good guide to authenticity.
     
  5. Severin Jul 28, 2015

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    Do you have a sense of the vintage of the advertisement? I'd be curious what the 125 dollars + would be worth today...
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  6. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jul 28, 2015

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    $125 in 1972 would be worth approximately $540 today.
     
  7. doralamer Jul 28, 2015

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    Thanks tony. I guessed that it is indeed more likely tol find supers with crowns like the one on top. But the example would be slightly dubious again because the crystal shows a rounded cyclops instead of a trapezoidal cyclops raised towards the 12 o clock marker.

    But the purpose of the post is really to examine the immense variety of polerouters and hence the draw to these beautiful watches. Immensely intriguing to find two toned dials in polerouter super, even if this particular advert u showed depicted a dial that is a single toned with markings very close to that found in some examples above. I think the point is that we will never know, and given how polerouter dates has many types of crowns present is also another testament to the variability of the series. What is right might hence not be so easily discerned.

    But what i love about the watch really is the handsome movement. A beauty in its own right. Would love to own a cal 69 but for now a 1-69 would suffice..
     
  8. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Jul 28, 2015

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    Good eye - agree. That's from Antiquorum's April 1994 single-brand auction.
     
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  9. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 28, 2015

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    Dollar-Swiss Franc exchange rate in 1972:

    Switzerland, 1972

    1972 3.8178 Franc to $1

    Dollar-Swiss Franc exchange rate in 2015:

    2015 0.95 Franc to $1

    That's an inflation in exchange rates of about four times. That gets your $540 to a little less than $2,200 in today's dollars. Even that's a little light in terms of the quality of what you get in Swiss watch for $2,100 nowadays.
    gatorcpa
     
  10. doralamer Jul 28, 2015

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    What do you guys think of the polerouter super though. The dials are simpler and not the classic look with the two-toned bezels. But the microrotor cal 69 (and 1-69 in this case) is really quite fascinating....
     
  11. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jul 29, 2015

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    Though I probably shouldn't be questioning the calculations of a CPA, the price in the ad is in USD, and the roughly 4x inflation was already accounted for in my original conversion. On what basis are you multiplying again, and what do CHF have to do with the issue?
     
  12. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jul 29, 2015

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    I have never owned them, but have long been attracted to them. My only aesthetic criticism is that the hands are arguably a bit narrow for the otherwise substantial case and crown. On the other hand, no pun intended, they are consistent with the hour markers.

    In any case, I'd certainly go for a nice example at an attractive price.
     
  13. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 29, 2015

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    The watch was made in Switzerland and workers were paid in francs. Relative movement in exchange rates are not included in the CPI, which is US dollar-based. Some currencies go up, some go down. The franc has gone way up.

    $125 in 1972 would be about 500 francs then. Despite their strong currency, the Swiss are not immune to inflation either. Applying the general inflation rate (admittedly in dollar terms) that you used gets you to about 2,000 francs. Exchange rate today is about $1.05 per franc, so maybe $2,100.

    If you look at relative share of GDP, I believe that is a far more accurate measure of cost of good today than just inflation on an old dollar over 40 years.

    http://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/result.php?year_source=1972&amount=125&year_result=2015

    However, I'm not sure how this converts to francs, or to changes in relative GDP over time. But at $1,700, it's a lot closer to what it would take to purchase a Polerouter like that today.

    Hope this helps,
    gatorcpa
     
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  14. doralamer Jul 29, 2015

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    lol chill out guys.. i prefer to see if I got myself a reasonable deal for a polerouter super..
     
  15. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 29, 2015

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    We're chill. Tony and I do this all the time. ;):cool:

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  16. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Jul 29, 2015

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    Exactly. It's a civilized discussion between adults. I realize that's rare enough on internet forums to weird people out, but it happens....
     
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  17. doralamer Jul 29, 2015

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    Hahaha but no one discussing about the polerouter super!! :(
     
  18. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Jul 29, 2015

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    Oh, that's a thread-jack. Very customary around here. In fact, it is an unusually topical one. Typically, we would be discussing squirrels, or racing bicycles or wine by now. The only thing you'll learn now is whether it was better to buy it in Lucerne or Milwaukee back in 1972.
     
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  19. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 29, 2015

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    I try not to wander too far off the reservation. :)
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  20. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Jul 29, 2015

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    Here's my favorite Super, with gray sunburst dial and original bracelet.

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