hi all,
Hodinkee has featured a pie-pan Connie with a BOR bracelet in a recent post. (the link to the actual sale is here)

Someone did express some concern about the dial authenticity - that it was a fake. In all fairness, the Hodinkee writer did add those concerns in the article.

With my limited experience, it just looked like a redial (failed MOY test, crosshairs looked slightly askew). I wouldn't have known it as a fake dial.

So my question is - how does one tell a redial from a fake? Are there any specific tells? Personally I'd avoid both, but some might still accept a redial but not a fake. Thanks in advance!

 

The stars on the cased back are incorrect and look like the ones found on known counterfeit 14900/167.005 cases.

The entire watch is suspect.

First photo is a genuine 167.005.

Second one is from the OPs link.

 

I bet it's a 14900, not yet seen a counterfeit 14902 and the fakers rarely seem to care about matching case references with correct movements anyway.

Hands are too long as well.

 

Thanks guys! Sorry Lou, I should've posted the pictures - will do so next time, just plain forgot as I was dashing off someplace (ward round, as a matter of fact ...)

About the bevelled date window, shucks I was definitely fooled. I thought there was a bevel on the lower edge!

Now you guys have got me thinking about the BOR bracelet.

Looking at the shape, and the fact that it's remarkably clean, it looks like the fake ones that Norman highlighted last yr. So it looks like the entire watch is bogus - case, dial, and BOR bracelet? Geez...

 

Yikes, not good! I was in touch with Alan Bedwell of Foundwell about the watch and shared this thread. After reviewing the watch, he determined it was in fact counterfeit. He has pulled it from the auction and returned it to the person from whom he purchased it - who was also duped. Thank you so much for your help!

Best regards,
Eric Wind

P.S. I updated the HODINKEE listing about it as well and will include the watch as a cautionary Bidder Beware this week with a link to this thread.

 

Thanks Eric! Another example of how the wonderful collective wisdom of the forum members helped the vintage community at large ... Awesome!

 

Great job Eric.

 

Not piling on, but I own a 14902-62 and it's fine
At least Desmond's warning was concerning 14900-62 not 14902-62
http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/2013/09/these-fake-constellation-14900-62-sc.html

 

Here are a couple photos. I learned from Alan that the bracelet did not come with the watch, but was paired. Alan and I think the bracelet is legitimate.

 

Just as I thought, 14900.

An incorrect movement as well. Can't see the caliber number, but the bridge is not for an adjusted movement.

 

Exactly, it is not a chronometer movement and was taken from another watch.