...totally pertinent questions...

 

I saw this thread on TRF earlier and was about to copy it here as well (you beat me to it @DLT222 )

All very relevant questions... The lack off any Rolex or Tiffany confirmation is very strange, If Rolex can confirm the Milsub in the same auction is ok then why can't they comment on the most famous Rolex ever???
I think at present Phillips only have a claim to a Newman Daytona coming via family/friends of Paul Newman, NOT Paul Newmans actual Exotic Daytona!...

 

Unfortunately I cannot view the case pics referenced in his post as I'm not a TRF member, but I'd be very curious to see the differences in the cases! Maybe I'll do my own online comparison

 

What pics?

 

More thoughts from me...
Many photos of the watch on PNs wrist show the crown unscrewed, if you look closely at the crown in the wrist shot on this thread it looks like a section has snapped off the bottom likely resulting in it not being able to be screwed down.
The Phillips watch has crown intact and screwed down...

 

Keep in mind I'm a Rolex novice, but is it possible the threads were shot on the case, and therefore replaced?

 

It's more likely the crown hasn't got enough inner thread to grip the pendant tube that protrudes the side of the case.
Therefore if the crown had been replaced for genuine Rolex parts there should be service records and it should be noted in the Phillips description that the crown is not original to the watch...

 

I think Sensui's reply to this is on point :

I have nothing to gain from this.....but here are my thoughts:

1) Paul Newman has passed and the is survived through his family/memories of his achievements. I don't see what better provenance you can get @ this point short of the guy that received it recording him on the spot or asking him to sign some kind of letter stating so in that time period....which was not done.

2) Rolex and Tiffany technically have nothing to do/gain with vintage auctions etc. Rolex for sure doesn't easily release documentation regarding any past watches they've sold and is tight lipped about specifications.

3) Serial numbers on production is an approximation of dates derived from data plots that other vintage fans shared with their own watches to approximate years of production/sale. I would say that is certainly close enough in the range.

4) We all know Paul had multiple Daytonas at the time, it's not outside the realm of reality he had many similar models.

 

Maybe there is a simple explanation for all this. Like ‘The Paul Newman with the wrong case is just a random (wrong) picture of A Paul Newman that’s not the actual one being sold’. But sure, there must be more provinance than a tree house...

 

Whohooo! That would concern me as potential buyer..

 

I'll be honest, I'm not interested in this Daytona, or any Daytona... they're just not my thing... but if the treehouse came with the watch... TAKE MY MONEY.

 

But if the treehouse came with the PN, and the PN had problems, why this could turn out to be a...

 

stopped by the Philips auction preview today and tried on the pn, a very cool watch with a ton of history to it. Should go for much higher than the 1 mill they say.
also saw the radial dial speedy, more my speed than the daytona. liked it a lot.

here's a pic by my son:

 

The photo you have shown has the ink missing from 110-120 or at least very faded.

The photo from Philips clearly shows the ink is still very much there and strong.

Is someone telling fibs?

Also I didn't think that anyone could go in and see the watch let alone try it on. I was under the impression this was going to be a ticketed auction - this part I could be wrong but your photo does not add up..

 

I tried it on in London... you just have to ask nicely.

 

I'll go in with a suit on and a calculator.. I'll look the auctioneers dead in the eye.. key in a load of random numbers on the calculator.. slide it across their desk (if no desk then along the floor) raise an eyebrow just slightly so they know I'm serious and then fall to the floor begging to just see it or even to just be in the same room.
If that doesn't work I'll walk away and just as I get to the door I'll look over my shoulder and say "keep the calculator" so they know that I have so much money I can afford to leave the Casio ef10 and that they have indeed lost out as I could have been a potential bidder.. yehhhh

I think I need sleep I have no idea why I wrote down this thought I just played out in my head

 

Er... what?

 

Honestly.. I have no answer.

I starting writing crap and got more in to it than I thought I would. It was a thought for my head.. not here

Apologies