People have gone crazy. Completely destoryed, possibly, maybe ultraman on eBay

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Thats a burial watch when a lease is over on a plot or for what ever reason a body is moved or removed this is what is know as grave goods. South America has many customs that seem strange to many.
 
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Thats a burial watch when a lease is over on a plot or for what ever reason a body is moved or removed this is what is know as grave goods. South America has many customs that seem strange to many.
Oh my! Is this a real thing?

Edit-I just typed in "Grave goods Venezuala" into google - yes, it's a real thing.
 
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It's not an Ultra Man, It's had a sweep hand fitted to doctor it up, is it worth buying ? well it's certainly interesting, it might be worth buying and sending to a known watch maker, I would try and keep the face and hands as is (but cleaned), the movement would have to be made up from doner parts but keeping it's original number, I would say If you could get past the thought of what it was (on the wrist of a body) pay £2k for it send it off for a "coat of rustoration" and another £1k and 6-8 months wait, you have a great story to tell and a fabulous looking Spookmaster
 
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And we have a new model!
Spookmaster, as long as it's not been gotten by ill gains, it's a watch that tell's a great story, and as story's of history about a watch make them so interesting, I for one am interested, yeah yeah he can keep the Ultra Man hand, but if one can look past an over eagar seller from a country thats in termoil, and assertain that it's been acquired correctly..... I'm in.
 
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...and assertain that it's been acquired correctly..... I'm in.
That's the hard part. Unless the seller has an invoice stating that he purchased the property legally from whomever was owner of the plot- that's the hard part.
Regardless, it's just creepy. I bought a 1936 Walther PP at a gun show decades ago. It was a lovely piece with flawless blueing on one side but corrosion on the other side of it in a strange pattern. I mentioned this to a militaria collector I was chatting with and showed him pictures- he knew exactly what it was. Those pistols were commonly personal carry pieces by SS offices as Lugers were notorious for jamming. They commonly carried them at the small of their back under their coat. This was most likely pulled off a fallen officer and brought back to the US as a war trophy- the corrosion was from sitting in a pool of blood.....I sold the gun shortly thereafter. Bad Ju-Ju!
 
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and severals item listed possess orange hands.
orange hands abound. quite a price jump from the rare seikos to the rare omega
 
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That's the hard part. Unless the seller has an invoice stating that he purchased the property legally from whomever was owner of the plot- that's the hard part.
Regardless, it's just creepy. I bought a 1936 Walther PP at a gun show decades ago. It was a lovely piece with flawless blueing on one side but corrosion on the other side of it in a strange pattern. I mentioned this to a militaria collector I was chatting with and showed him pictures- he knew exactly what it was. Those pistols were commonly personal carry pieces by SS offices as Lugers were notorious for jamming. They commonly carried them at the small of their back under their coat. This was most likely pulled off a fallen officer and brought back to the US as a war trophy- the corrosion was from sitting in a pool of blood.....I sold the gun shortly thereafter. Bad Ju-Ju!
Or maybe has an equaliy good Karma...... more investigation is required, it might just have the most wonderful of stories behind it....
 
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It could be a drug barrons wrist watch, dug up at midnight to the lights of a mafia "cleaners" car..ALA Goodfellas....
 
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It could be a drug barrons wrist watch, dug up at midnight to the lights of a mafia "cleaners" car..ALA Goodfellas....


Nop... they do that wearing Rolexes not Omegas 😝😝
 
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i made a OBO and got a pop up suggesting if i offered closer to $7495 the seller would be more inclined to accept... but it wasn't rejected out right.
 
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If they chose to service it at all, yes it would. But it would be almost completely new, so they might say, nope, too far gone.
So then why do you think someone paid that price... $AUD12000 + Got me scratching my head.
 
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The dial print on these short hour marker blue dials is exactly the same as the MKII step dials used in the early-mid 70’s (Sans “PROFESSIONAL”)
The Greenish lume is also the same as we usually see on many late 145.022-69’s and 145.022-71’s
Wide T’s...
None of these features existed yet when these watches were produced. (Ref: 105.012 from the mid to late 60’s).

The Omega extracts only say Blue dial because they saw pictures. Otherwise, it would have never been mentioned on the extract just by the serial.
I would love to see some of these dials outside of the watches to see the dial feet.
I'd have to agree here, I have a Soleil as well and there are a few variations. Mine has the long indices and the "period correct" fonts in my opinion.
 
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The Spookmaster angle makes me dislike this watch even more 🥱
 
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Thats a burial watch when a lease is over on a plot or for what ever reason a body is moved or removed this is what is know as grave goods. South America has many customs that seem strange to many.

With the economic situation in Venezuela, more than likely it was grave robbery. As said on page 3, this watch must have quite some story to tell. >>>

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2019/jun/19/poor-venezuelans-looting-graves-2019061/

Poor Venezuelans looting graves
Desperation fuels cemetery thefts in once-booming oil town

by RODRIGO ABD The Associated Press | June 19, 2019 at 3:51 a.m. | Updated June 19, 2019 at 3:51 a.m.

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A statue stands beside empty pedestals in front of desecrated vaults in El Cuadrado cemetery in Maracaibo, Venezuela, in this photo taken May 16. A once-thriving oil industry has given way to desperation and exhaustion.

MARACAIBO, Venezuela -- Even the dead aren't safe in Maracaibo, a sweltering, suffering city in Venezuela.

Thieves have broken into some of the vaults and coffins in El Cuadrado cemetery since late last year, stealing ornaments and sometimes items from corpses as the country sinks to new depths of deprivation.

"Starting eight months ago, they even took the gold teeth of the dead," said Jose Antonio Ferrer, who is in charge of the cemetery, where a prominent doctor, a university director and other luminaries are buried.

Much of Venezuela is in a state of decay and abandonment, created by shortages of things that people need the most: cash, food, water, medicine, power, gasoline.

Some of the most acute misery plays out every day on the streets of Maracaibo, Venezuela's second-largest city and a hub of the once-booming oil industry. It was there in March that residents, seemingly driven to desperation by nationwide power blackouts, looted and destroyed hundreds of buildings and businesses. Authorities blamed criminals for the rampage, which was of a kind that didn't happen elsewhere in Venezuela and only quickened the city's descent.

The destruction in Maracaibo, where blackouts were the norm long before March, defied easy understanding. The fittings of a hotel were torn out or just torn to shreds, leaving the structure littered with debris.

Maracaibo's mood today is less furious, more exhausted. Many who have the means leave, joining an exodus of more than 4 million Venezuelans who have left the country in recent years.

The city in northwestern Venezuela is close to the border with Colombia, host to more than one-quarter of the migrants.

The opposition blames Venezuela's misery on misguided economic policies, mismanagement and corruption by the socialist administration installed by the late Hugo Chavez. President Nicolas Maduro, like Chavez, says the troubles are the result of what he calls an economic war being waged on the country by the United States, which along with about four dozen other nations contends that Maduro's re-election last year was not legitimate because many strong opposition candidates couldn't run.

As in other cities, weary drivers nap on top of cars as they wait for scarce gasoline in long lines at service stations. "Operacion Libertad" -- Freedom Operation -- was scrawled in white on the back window of one taxi, a reference to opposition leader Juan Guaido's campaign to topple Maduro.

Guaido visited Maracaibo, an opposition stronghold of 1.5 million people, in April. He was forced to take a boat across Lake Maracaibo to dodge police roadblocks and reach throngs of supporters waiting to hear him speak.

As the political standoff drags on, so does life in Maracaibo.
 
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We don’t know the history of this particular watch. While it’s entirely possible that it came from 6ft under, it’s also possible that it came from a tackle box in a fishing village. For starters, the seller has a fair amount of other watches and none of them show similar damage. Also, this watch looks to me to have significant signs of salt water ingress. I don’t know that this would occur while in a casket buried underground. Personally I don’t like the look of this particular watch but I also don’t want to impart a story on it without merit
 
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You cannot restore that dial, and the dial is the heart of the value
Totally agree. If that dial can be restored, every speedmaster enthusiast would have a blue soleil dialed piece.